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I am right, most of YOU are wrong...and the zone read is STILL a Red Herring


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#11 Urrymonster

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:36 AM

To all those saying that the zone read is boom or bust in the run game - hasn't that always been the way of our regular running game???

The very nature of averages suggests that over the course of a game we will average 5 yards a carry, so run that 3 times in a row and in theory we would get the first down every time.

I'm not sure why everyone is completely ignoring the statistics here and entertaining that quite possibly the play calling isn't as black and white as people want to believe.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:38 AM

Then what is the problem ?
Why do I feel like the OP is trolling...

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:18 AM

Then what is the problem ?
Why do I feel like the OP is trolling...


Because the answer isn't as simple as people want to think it is. I'm not saying that the zone read isn't an issue and it is reliable enough, just that people are refusing to even consider that it's not the only problem and that we have had success this year using - moreso than standard running plays.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:19 AM

The read option, I am convinced CAN work in the NFL, but you need someone who is more familiar with it than a guy who appears to have studied it for one offseason and then tried to install it as a base offense.

There is a lot of nuances that make it effective that Chud doesn't seem to understand.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:32 AM

Because the answer isn't as simple as people want to think it is. I'm not saying that the zone read isn't an issue and it is reliable enough, just that people are refusing to even consider that it's not the only problem and that we have had success this year using - moreso than standard running plays.

agreed.

it's a whole slew of problems going on. play calling has been huge, but so has poor execution and stupid mistakes by the players....ALL of them.

no one gets off the hook. losing every week has very much been a team effort and much of the time it's only been one mistake too many at the wrong time that if avoided would have been the difference between a W and a L.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

The read option, I am convinced CAN work in the NFL, but you need someone who is more familiar with it than a guy who appears to have studied it for one offseason and then tried to install it as a base offense.

There is a lot of nuances that make it effective that Chud doesn't seem to understand.

i think he has a great playbook and is incredibly intelligent as an OC. i think he's one of the youngest and most creative minds in the league...BUT his playcalling has been far too focused on one aspect.

i think he used the 80/20 rule and applied it to his playcalling. he saw that 20% of his playbook was resulting in 80% of the team's successes (or could...i don't know) so he decided to do what worked 20% of the time 80% of the time.

not sure if i've had enough coffee this morning yet for that to make sense...

at any rate, he got stuck in a rut the size of jeff davidson.

the problem is that he's been predictable in his playcalling except for the one trick play a game he had been doing. when davidson was here, i could understand being in a rut when your playbook is all of about 5 pages written in crayon, but with chud, it's just mystifying. his playbook is ginormous and but he only uses a small portion of it.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:59 AM

I don't think anyone is saying that the zone-read is the only problem of our team, it's one of many problems.

First and foremost, coaching is terrible. The ability to make adjustments doesn't exist. We have a horrible center/right guard combinations, a rookie left guard, Jordan Gross is getting old, the zone-read sucks, our special teams are not very good, and we have a rookie corner starting and a guy who is 4'7.

Those are our problems.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:14 AM

the zone read doesnt work because, A) Chud built this team as a pass first team. The offensive line cant create any holes for the rb nor cam. C) It forces Cam to carry too much of the work load D)Ruuning the read option too much takes the wr's out of the game. E) Unless you are playing against carolina, running the same play over and over does not work in the NFL. :)



Chud built this team?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:40 AM

Thanx to nonesuchapanther for posting a link to the Charlotte Observer.


i posted that link to kill the misconception that deangelo williams is so much better rushing out of traditional formations.

the read option is crap. it's feast or famine. it's average is skewed by the massive runs (mainly from newton) that it produces every once in a while.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:46 AM

Watch the games. It will be clear why the read option doesn't work.


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