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Samuel L. Jackson

You fail at religion if:

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lol congratulations you use star trek and matthew mcconaughey to justify your stupid beliefs.

This, however I wouldn't necessarily call your beliefs "stupid"... rather "unfortunate"...

I guess it goes back to not understanding how well educated, intelligent people can believe in something so obviously contrived for reasons other than how it is presented...

It's just sad and really depressing to know that people would live their lives and base their decisions on something like that... In a way I feel like is my duty to "save" those that would "save" me...

The time and energy some people put into religion could just be so much more well spent actually fixing the world's problems...

pstall, I like you a lot actually. You are almost always cordial and welcoming to debate.

I think a lot of what I say here is lost via text as opposed to speech as some have talked about... Some of my humor is lost in translation...

But, I still just don't "get it" as to why some people can believe the things you obviously believe. Again, the "Faith" thing is just an excuse to me...

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you fail at life when you eat up all the lies and rhetoric to a point that you cannot even think for yourself any longer. You then are just as the others, sheep to the slaughter.

Congratulations, you just described any devoted follower of religion, and as such, proved my point!

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Here's the thing. The post is made and SLJ posts his beliefs. Says they are right. Gets defensive when you say that they may not be. But he is definitely not the religous wacko.

Why is there so much time spent running around the same track in the Tinderbox?

Where did I say they are right? I left them open for debate and presented a few facts... I guess some people don't see facts as the truth?

I don't get defensive... I will debate anyone that wants to talk about it, or anything that I really believe...

Maybe there is so much time spent running around the same track because people can't answer questions without using magical "faith" as an excuse?

If I said I was a Scientologist, the Christians here would say how stupid it was to believe that we came from outer space and how our souls are the souls of past aliens... Yet, it's okay to believe in Jesus' miracles based on second hand information... just because... right?

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Inimicus...

I feel like, and don't hate me for making an assumption, that you are in a spot that I once was...

You have rejected a lot of what is taught in mainstream religion, but you still want to hold onto the fundamental elements contained within it... I think that is a wonderful thing to do...

Again, I'm assuming that you believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for all of mankind's sins?

My question is, if you reject other things, how can you truly 100% believe something like that?

I'm not saying it's wrong, because I don't know... I don't think anyone does really, but I do have a good idea that it's not the truth...

Also, do you HAVE to believe that to be a good person, or to feel like once this life is over you have done all you can for humanity?

I think it's a fear driven belief...

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Where did I say they are right? I left them open for debate and presented a few facts... I guess some people don't see facts as the truth?

I don't get defensive... I will debate anyone that wants to talk about it, or anything that I really believe...

Maybe there is so much time spent running around the same track because people can't answer questions without using magical "faith" as an excuse?

If I said I was a Scientologist, the Christians here would say how stupid it was to believe that we came from outer space and how our souls are the souls of past aliens... Yet, it's okay to believe in Jesus' miracles based on second hand information... just because... right?

How is it that this kind of open prejudice against anyone is still tolerated and even hailed as the rationally superior stand is beyond me.

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whoa whoa whoa...

"open prejudice" ???

What are you talking about? Are you saying I'm prejudiced because I don't understand how anyone can shun one belief as crazy, but believe something just as crazy?

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whoa whoa whoa...

"open prejudice" ???

What are you talking about? Are you saying I'm prejudiced because I don't understand how anyone can shun one belief as crazy, but believe something just as crazy?

That would be a similar prejudice to maintaining that all beliefs are crazy.

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Inimicus...

I feel like, and don't hate me for making an assumption, that you are in a spot that I once was...

You have rejected a lot of what is taught in mainstream religion, but you still want to hold onto the fundamental elements contained within it... I think that is a wonderful thing to do...

Again, I'm assuming that you believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for all of mankind's sins?

Yes and no.

I believe that Jesus was a great prophet and his death was meaningful to me as a Christian, but I do not recognize his divinity.

If Christ was the son of God and not a man then his "sinless" life was not a significant event and largely invalidates his death. By comparison if Gandhi was divine his resistance would not have been the magnificent triumph that it was.

My question is, if you reject other things, how can you truly 100% believe something like that?

I'm not saying it's wrong, because I don't know... I don't think anyone does really, but I do have a good idea that it's not the truth...

Also, do you HAVE to believe that to be a good person, or to feel like once this life is over you have done all you can for humanity?

I think it's a fear driven belief...

By no means do I think that you have to believe as I do for your life to be meaningful and worthwhile.

As for how I believe in God, you dont want me to use the word faith so Ill take this route...

I choose to believe in God the same way I choose to believe in the love of my wife. I cant prove that she loves me anymore than I can prove God exists but Ive decided that I don't need to.

Hell even if in the end I'm wrong, Ive still lived a life where I strived to live by a set of guiding principles that hopefully has left this world a little bit better off through the positive impact Ive had on those people Ive encountered along the way.

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whoa whoa whoa...

"open prejudice" ???

What are you talking about? Are you saying I'm prejudiced because I don't understand how anyone can shun one belief as crazy, but believe something just as crazy?

I almost deleted that post as soon as I made it because I kinda "shot from the hip" there.

It was a response to the whole all Christians are close minded lemmings tone I picked up. My apologies if I misinterpreted your post.

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