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Fresh off a five-sack day in Cincinnati, the [b]Denver Broncos are now tied for sixth in the NFL in sacks with 24.[/b]

[b]Broncos linebacker Von Miller, after three sacks Sunday, is tied for second in the league with nine.[/b] Elvis Dumervil is among several players tied for 16th with six sacks.

Miller and Dumvervil are hard-chargers — they have 62.5 percent of the Broncos' sacks this season.

[b]"That's my job, it's what I do,"[/b] Dumervil said. [b]"It's a big part of the defense and with Von we can come at a quarterback a lot of different ways in this scheme. We like to get the quarterback."[/b]
Sunday in Carolina, however, they can't like it too much.

The Broncos will face Panthers' second-year quarterback Cam Newton, who
[color=#000000][left][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]is second among all QBs in rushing behind Washington rookie Robert Griffin III.
Newton is big — 6-foot-5, 245 pounds — as in bigger than Miller (6-3, 237) or any of the other Broncos linebacker.

The Broncos also have a history with Newton. Denver had the No. 2 pick in hand for the 2011 draft, and Newton was one of the top players on the board. So the Broncos gave him the full work-up, including a pro day visit.

But the Panthers took Newton with the No. 1 pick that year, so the Broncos took Miller at No. 2 and both players went on to win rookie of the year honors, Newton on offense, Miller on defense.
On Newton, Broncos coach John Fox said:

"[b]He's a terrific talent. He's big, strong, fast, he's got a very strong arm. I think that was indicative of the kind of rookie season he had a year ago."[/b]

[b]The Panthers have cocooned Newton in a playbook tailored for his ability to both run and throw on the run, including the kind of read-option attack the Broncos used last season with Tim Tebow behind center.[/b]

[b]But it is the Panthers' variation on the read-option that is the rub for Miller and Dumervil.[/b]
[b]The Broncos' option attack with Tebow last season concentrated the bulk of the [/b]
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[b]work right over the center — the Broncos ran 50 percent of their rushing attempts last season over center. [/b]

[b]But the Panthers are more willing to attack the edges.Carolina has averaged more than 7.0 yards per carry around both the left and right ends this season.[/b]

[b]And the Panthers haven't averaged more than 4.04 yards per carry over any other spot across the offensive front, including just 1.78 yards per carry over the left tackle and 2.6 yards per carry over the right tackle.[/b]

That puts Dumervil, and often Miller, in the position of containment on both early downs as well as in passing situations. On early downs, they'll have to play with discipline, especially when Newton attacks out of the option.

The Broncos last season took advantage of opposing defenses that simply didn't play sound assignment football against an option attack. Defenses often had multiple players attack Tebow and leave the pitch man free, or they got too far upfield and let Tebow have an escape lane to the inside.

Teams did improve as the season went on and there was more and more video to watch, but the lesson is the same for the Broncos this time around.

In his rookie year, offenses often lured Miller up the field and worked plays to the space left behind. So much so, the Broncos pulled Miller from the lineup at times.

This season has been far different. Miller has shown himself to be a far more well-rounded player, who is consistently messing with offensive gameplans.

But if Miller and Dumervil lose the edge too often Sunday, the Broncos will lose the game.[/quote]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21940603/elvis-dumervil-von-miller-broncos-vs-cam-newton

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We have good OTs....just can't be put in too many 3rd and longs because that's hard on every OT

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Chud help us all

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Go head. Who said Cam was going to run wild. Do they still think we're running a college option system?

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Seemed like when Fox was here he didn't have much success vs. mobile QBs. I have no numbers to back that up though, so I can most certainly be wrong

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OG's and the read option crap have killed our interior rushing.

I imagine they'll have Von attack those two G's Sunday while using Elvis on the outside to create space inside.

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I hope we crush Denver & Mr. Richardson rides his little golf cart past Fox & Manning after the game doing the crip lean holding a pie chart showing Cam's dominance.
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Miller is their TD, whereas Cam is our Vick (for the Foxy idea vs mobile QBs). The thing is....we're not running such a gimmicky offense anymore. If they think we are, they're in for a rude awakening. I sincerely hope they spend a TON of time scheming the read option, because we're not going to be running it that much. More chance to exploit their secondary and pound the ball between the tackles. As long as our offense keeps improving (there has been slight improvement, game to game, the past few weeks), and as long as the defense keeps performing at the level they have, we have a good chance here.


As far as our games in the past against Peyton, he's 1-2 and has historically had his worst games against us. Don't know how official these numbers are, but it is interesting.

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[quote name='Dpantherman' timestamp='1352316801' post='1986506']
Seemed like when Fox was here he didn't have much success vs. mobile QBs. I have no numbers to back that up though, so I can most certainly be wrong
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5 straight losses to the falcons when michael vick was the starting quarterback for starters. jeff garcia carved us up in 2007 and the first game of 2008 as well. freeman didn't put up eye popping numbers as a rusher but his mobility hurt us big time in 2010

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Miller is their TD, whereas Cam is our Vick (for the Foxy idea vs mobile QBs). [b]The thing is....we're not running such a gimmicky offense anymore. If they think we are, they're in for a rude awakening. I sincerely hope they spend a TON of time scheming the read option, because we're not going to be running it that much.[/b] More chance to exploit their secondary and pound the ball between the tackles. As long as our offense keeps improving (there has been slight improvement, game to game, the past few weeks), and as long as the defense keeps performing at the level they have, we have a good chance here.


As far as our games in the past against Peyton, he's 1-2 and has historically had his worst games against us. Don't know how official these numbers are, but it is interesting.

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I don't think they are that stupid. I'm sure they have film of our last 2 games and realize that we aren't doing it as much.

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is it just me or did we go back to running a bunch of options last game? of course washington's bad defense made it appear that it worked better. We need to score at least 28 to win this one.

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[quote]Fresh off a five-sack day in Cincinnati, the [b]Denver Broncos are now tied for sixth in the NFL in sacks with 24.[/b][/quote]who are they tied with?

panthers.

if you look at the pass defense stats for both teams they are pretty similar...except they've allowed 14 passing TDs. panthers have allowed only 9.
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Do Von Miller get most of his sacks from the DE position or LB position? I know they play a 4-3 so I'm confused.

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O-line has been improving since we got rid of that read option garbage.

I'm interested to see how they hold up.

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[quote name='Peppers90 NC' timestamp='1352322717' post='1986718']
is it just me or did we go back to running a bunch of options last game? of course washington's bad defense made it appear that it worked better. We need to score at least 28 to win this one.
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We sprinkled it in, which I like. I don't think we should do it more than 5-6 times a fame unless the D shows they have no answer for it.

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[quote name='Tarheels23' timestamp='1352324237' post='1986763']
Do Von Miller get most of his sacks from the DE position or LB position? I know they play a 4-3 so I'm confused.
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He gets them mostly from the DE position when the Broncos are in the 5-2 and other nickel and dime alignments.

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[quote name='Tarheels23' timestamp='1352324237' post='1986763']
Do Von Miller get most of his sacks from the DE position or LB position? I know they play a 4-3 so I'm confused.
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LB, he's a 43 version of Clay Mathews. They said the bulk of his sacks have come from between the tackles, while Elvis' are off the edge.

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5 straight losses to the falcons when michael vick was the starting quarterback for starters. jeff garcia carved us up in 2007 and the first game of 2008 as well. freeman didn't put up eye popping numbers as a rusher but his mobility hurt us big time in 2010
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we also got shithoused by mcnair and the titans in 2003

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[quote name='megadeth078' timestamp='1352324670' post='1986775']
O-line has been improving since we got rid of that read option garbage.

I'm interested to see how they hold up.
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I'm sure some of you have already noticed that I'm a Broncos fan. All smack aside, I always thought that once the Panthers stopped babying Cam with that read option, the offense would look better. How can they expect him to grow as a QB when they are not only handcuffing him but, the two sick ass RBs also? The way I see it, Cam will experience growing pains but at least it would be in a traditional offense which would help him in the long run.

Anyway, that's $.02 from a fan looking in from elsewhere. Always thought Cam was a beast at Auburn (plus it was fun watching Roll Tide fans cry while he was here) and I still think he is one now. After the game on Sunday, I will go back to silently rooting for the development of Cam and the Panthers but until then, you guys suck. :P

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[quote name='jake14wl' timestamp='1352317130' post='1986519']
I hope we crush Denver & Mr. Richardson rides his little golf cart past Fox & Manning after the game doing the crip lean holding a pie chart showing Cam's dominance.
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This made me laugh pretty hard. Pie when I get home if I remember. :)

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1352324977' post='1986784']

LB, he's a 43 version of Clay Mathews. They said the bulk of his sacks have come from between the tackles, while Elvis' are off the edge.
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^ That too. To the guy that asked. The Broncos like to move him around alot. Easily our fastest LB

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[quote name='Swaiy' timestamp='1352325227' post='1986789']
I'm sure some of you have already noticed that I'm a Broncos fan. All smack aside, I always thought that once the Panthers stopped babying Cam with that read option, the offense would look better. How can they expect him to grow as a QB when they are not only handcuffing him but, the two sick ass RBs also? The way I see it, Cam will experience growing pains but at least it would be in a traditional offense which would help him in the long run.

Anyway, that's $.02 from a fan looking in from elsewhere. Always thought Cam was a beast at Auburn (plus it was fun watching Roll Tide fans cry while he was here) and I still think he is one now. After the game on Sunday, I will go back to silently rooting for the development of Cam and the Panthers but until then, you guys suck. :P
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Welcome. As for Cam we didn't run the read option nearly as often last year as we did to start this year. I think the OC out thought himself in terms of staying ahead of D's based on the success we had last season. I do want to see Cam used as a regular passing QB who can also kill you with the run. His fundamentals and mechanics look off, but I can't pick out what it is. As a result he's less accurate than last year.

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[quote name='Swaiy' timestamp='1352325557' post='1986798']
^ That too. To the guy that asked. The Broncos like to move him around alot. Easily our fastest LB
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Like I mentioned I really think Fox would be wise to send Cam after our OG's, one is a rookie and the other is a back up. Use Elvis to pull Gross away and try to isolate Von on the LG who's a better run blocker than pass blocker. Cam HAS to make quick decisions this Sunday.

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[quote name='Swaiy' timestamp='1352324920' post='1986782']
He gets them mostly from the DE position when the Broncos are in the 5-2 and other nickel and dime alignments.
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This makes sense. Not sure if you've noticed but we've actually used TD as a 5th down linemen in a 5-2 defense. I haven't seen it much since Beason been out though.

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1352325734' post='1986802']


Welcome. As for Cam we didn't run the read option nearly as often last year as we did to start this year. I think the OC out thought himself in terms of staying ahead of D's based on the success we had last season. I do want to see Cam used as a regular passing QB who can also kill you with the run. His fundamentals and mechanics look off, but I can't pick out what it is. As a result he's less accurate than last year.
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That's what I'm saying man! Last year he was looking good with less read option. I didn't understand why the Panthers' OC didn't want to build on that instead of trying to outsmart everyone with a gimmick. I don't watch the Panthers anywhere near the amount you guys do but I just felt like all this read option stuff this year was hindering Cam's development. The 3rd year is when QBs start to put things together and whoever your OC is could have been delaying that development.

Now all of a sudden when you guys played with a more traditional offense against the Redskins, the Panthers looked ALOT better.

They need to get that man some help though. Steve Smith and Greg Olsen seem to be beasting it up but Cam needs more options to go to than just those two guys. Steve Smith can't play forever, although he looks like he'll be fast forever lol.

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