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#46 Frash Brastard

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

Loads of fail in this post but I've bolded a complete factual error. On average Cam has 3.52 seconds in the pocket before he is sacked. That is the 11th longest in the league.


most of that can be attributed to the fact that almost every single passing play we run is designed to take like 18 minutes to develop

also we'd been running the option way too much. as a change of pace it is fine, but it's not something you run as a base offense in the nfl. it doesn't allow cam to commit to his arm to make plays

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

Cam is a second year QB.
Saying he is a bust now is like saying he is a HOF after last season.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:48 AM

I think you can point to a couple of things that have made a difference. Some out of Cam's control and some that you can point to Cam and wonder why he hasn't made strides.

I think coming in as a rookie on an awful team, Cam probably didn't feel too much pressure to win right away. He came and played loose and the numbers showed. He impressed many people in the way he actually stood in the pocket and was able to deliver the ball. He wasn't just a runner. But, one thing about last year that I noticed was that he wasn't afraid to run. He took off and was decisive when making the decision to run. But, again, he was successful throwing the ball as well. Although you saw several things that needed improving in the passing game, namely his footwork. His footwork was the cause of high throws and inaccurate passing when throwing off the back foot. But as a rookie you expected him to smooth those things out as the year and his career went along.

Coming into this year, there likely was more pressure on Cam. He had to back up his great rookie year and there was much higher expectations as far as team goals. I think this year, he has tried too hard to become that perfect pocket passer. Whether that's by coach's design or him, he doesn't take off as much when he should. He tries to stay in there and that usually will result in a sack or errant throw. His offensive line doesn't help but he has shown very little pocket awareness. There are plenty, and I mean plenty, of times where he can step up in the pocket and buy himself more time. You blame the OL for the lack of protection but you have to help them out a bit. Also, his footwork really hasn't seen much improvement. He still throws off his back foot. I think partly this is due to him being able to muster balls in there with his upper body strength. But, I think he needs to be able to make reads faster. It seems he's "late" when deciding where to throw and tries to fire it in there off his back foot. Again, you could point to the lack of separation created from the WRs but it's nice to have some touch every once and a while and "throw the WR open". And damn, Cam needs to learn how to throw the screen pass. He's so lackadaisical with it and it's inaccurate far too often.

I still think if we put a good team around him and he plays loose and free like he did his rookie season, he will be a successful QB. He will have to mature as a player and learn how to deal with adversity. Next season will be the the best opportunity to show that as he is coming off his "slump" and the team has failed to meet expectations.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:02 AM

most of that can be attributed to the fact that almost every single passing play we run is designed to take like 18 minutes to develop

also we'd been running the option way too much. as a change of pace it is fine, but it's not something you run as a base offense in the nfl. it doesn't allow cam to commit to his arm to make plays


Or maybe it is that Cam is often not goign through his progessions quickly. If you watch the game, there are open WR's that he is missing.

I do think that both Cam and Chud have fallen in love with the long ball. They are both trying to make a living off it...and failing.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

Or maybe it is that Cam is often not goign through his progessions quickly. If you watch the game, there are open WR's that he is missing.

I do think that both Cam and Chud have fallen in love with the long ball. They are both trying to make a living off it...and failing.


Who's teaching Cam that though genious? If no one is correcting him, it's the coaches fault. But he's just doing what the play is designed for.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:04 PM

your supposition had a head on collision with facts and there were no survivors. sorry.

he undeniably got the ball out faster and made quicker decisions on sunday which is an improvement on probably the biggest thing that people here were ragging him for. i mean you watched the game, right? oddly your observations don't seem to align with anybody else's.



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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

I did watch the game. Cam had some moments, as he always seems to have. Unfortunately, the BAD moments he is having are not those of an improving player! It is evident his own coaches, for right or wrong, don't sem to have a lot of confidence in him either as the play calling near the end showed.

#53 TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

I did watch the game. Cam had some moments, as he always seems to have. Unfortunately, the BAD moments he is having are not those of an improving player! It is evident his own coaches, for right or wrong, don't sem to have a lot of confidence in him either as the play calling near the end showed.


Playcalling at games end was not indicative of lost confidence in a QB but more so a pussy foot coach trying to unsuccessfully back into a win like he has so often done. Rivera has gifted so many wins b/c he is a coach that doesn't understand you can't do that in the NFL. He "plays" percentages like the failure he is. He and that loser Pat Shurmur.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:32 PM

What happened?? chud happened

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

I did watch the game. Cam had some moments, as he always seems to have. Unfortunately, the BAD moments he is having are not those of an improving player! It is evident his own coaches, for right or wrong, don't sem to have a lot of confidence in him either as the play calling near the end showed.


Did I miss something? Wasn't Cam like 11 for 12 in the 2nd half or something like that? I'll watch the film to verify, but he was pretty hot at the time. Not time to take your foot off the gas in my opinion. Play to get the first against the worst pass defense in the league, and end the game in victory formation.


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