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NH House votes down gay marriage bill because of religious liberty protection clause


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#31 Kurb

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:35 PM

Do they pay for their own police in case of break in and fire departments?


Do other non-profits ?

#32 g5jamz

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:35 PM

I'm gonna have to go with the idea that churches have to follow their own rules on this one.

I however do not understand the need to write this into the law - it's kind of a given as is, and who would want to get married by a church that does not want them? The additional language is unneeded, and could be used at a later date for some oddball unrelated reason.


Some lobbys have empty pockets to lawyer a church into debt. It's extortion in a sense. I hate the law has to be there...but I see why they see the need to do it.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:35 PM

Do other non-profits ?


Nope, but if they discriminate they should no longer be non profit.

#34 Matt Foley

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:46 PM

an organization should not be allowed to be tax exempt and discriminate at the same time. that is in essence government sponsored discrimination.


You mean like....black colleges?

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:49 PM

You mean like....black colleges?


You think no whites go to black colleges?

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:51 PM

You think no whites go to black colleges?


Do you think those whites are not discriminated against ?

#37 g5jamz

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:54 PM

You mean like....black colleges?


Whites can go to black colleges...but don't expect entrance standards subsidies.

#38 rodeo

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 01:00 PM

You mean like....black colleges?


exactly like them, because they have to admit everyone.

just like the wiccan club at my mom's work had to admit a bunch of frat boys who make fun of them :D

#39 Matt Foley

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 01:00 PM

You think no whites go to black colleges?


Do these colleges sell themselves as a welcome environment for white people?

#40 cookinwithgas

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 01:01 PM

not the point. The point is they have to obey the law, not obey the law with a smile and a fruit basket.

#41 Matt Foley

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 01:05 PM

not the point. The point is they have to obey the law, not obey the law with a smile and a fruit basket.


Is that some kind of gay joke? You homophobic......homo.

#42 Epistaxis

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 02:31 PM

i came into the thread not having a problem with it because yes, churches should be allowed to discriminate all they want. but zod raised a good point with taxes. an organization should not be allowed to be tax exempt and discriminate at the same time. that is in essence government sponsored discrimination.



ditto

can't have cake+eat it

#43 Mr. Scot

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:24 PM

Requiring that a group hold certain beliefs in order to be recognized as a valid religion is equal to government infringement on freedom of religion.

It works both ways.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:39 PM

Just to clarify, you are ok with churches not marrying interracial couples?


Doesn't matter if he is ok with it. If you force them to do it, then the first amendment is being violated. And fwiw, the tax issue is irrelevant. Should a religion lose its tax exempt status just because it does something that society disagrees with? Mr. Scott is correct.

Edited by Davidson Deac II, 28 May 2009 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2009 - 06:22 PM

tax exemption for religion is not in the constitution. that is a special privilege. it's not infringing on freedom of religion in the least. it is giving them all the freedom in the world to do what they want, and to pick between keeping discrimination or their special privileges. they're still 100% free to practice their religion as they see fit.

to answer your question, DDII, yes, they should lose it. why shouldn't they?


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