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Your Opinion on the Target, WalMart, (Other Bigbox Retailer Here) Thanksgiving Protests

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I have mixed feelings about the situation. For those of you unaware, as I was until I received an unwanted email from change.org about it the other day prior to finally unsubscribing, lol... Apparently some employees from Target, Walmart, and the like, have been sending around those internet petitions asking people to sign them saying it's unfair that they have to work on Thanksgiving for Black Friday.

The employee from Target actually got so much attention that he was recently featured on Good Morning America and a bunch of other nationally aired shows and gained even more support for it.

Part of me is extremely peeved that I received the email asking for my support for the petition because my first reaction was, "Where was change.org and online petitions when I was working slave jobs from 18-25 or so and was asked to work holidays away from my family?"

What makes these employees anymore deserving to have these holidays off then ones who didn't have the ability to make petitions just 5 years ago?

At the same time, I understand their plight. You don't want to be working at those places when it isn't a holiday, let alone when it is... It sucks.

I don't know... I feel like ultimately, I'm kind of bitter about it and don't think they should be given that time off because there has been years and years worth of employees who had to work those dead end jobs before online petitions came along.

My solution is, if you don't like it, quit. I never gave employers at dead end jobs the feeling that they had control over me or that they could assert any. If I didn't agree with something, I let them know immediately. If we couldn't resolve it, I either quit or they had to fire me. I really didn't care because it wasn't a career and you can get a paycheck from anywhere. You don't like their policies, quit whining and leave.

Stupid spoiled Target employees, lol...

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They have a job right? With requirements?

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If they don't want to work, I'll do it. Could use a few extra bucks to make ends meet this month.

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retail=hours other people don't work

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[quote name='pstall' timestamp='1353472349' post='2010638']
retail=hours other people don't work
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Hotel=hours other people don't work.

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I worked at Starbucks on black friday, I had to make sure everyone had their coffee before all big retail stores opened. I did not bitch and seen it as part of my job. People want to work office hours at retail positions? That's not how this works...
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[img]http://charlesdickenspage.com/illustrations_web/A_Christmas_Carol/A_Christmas_Carol_05.jpg[/img][url="http://youtu.be/GAu5jzSk0NQ"]http://youtu.be/GAu5jzSk0NQ[/url]
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The family unit is important to our nation or so I'm told by pro family politicians. Are families only important until they get in the way of the almighty dollar?

Retail stores would sell just as much during the holidays even if they were all closed Thanksgiving Day. What is wrong with allowing families to be together and not have to worry about racing through a meal to get to work?

Spending several years overseas allowed me to witness a lifestyle no longer available to most people in the US. Where retail stores opened later and closed earlier and didn't open on Sundays at all. Most retailers were closed and home by dinner 5 out of the 6 days they were open.

The lack of convenience was irritating at first coming from the land of the 24 hour Wal Mart, but after adjusting it rarely caused a problem and it was nice to know families got to share some valuable time together.

Time for America to get out of the rat race and join the human race!
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With unemployment being so high, I think disgruntled employees will be easy to replace.

Have you seen black friday crowds? What do they want to do, go shopping with their families?

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I think they should get double time on the holidays worked. In WM's case arent there 4-5 Walton heirs in the top 12 richest people in the world. Its the right thing to do. It isnt like WM is going to lose any buisness or money if they paid more on the holidays. That being said, some of the dumbest, clueless, people work at WM.

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thank god I'm going into managerial work

whenever you're on the bottom of the totem pole (i.e. sales associate at Target) you're going to get fuged in the ass when it comes to scheduling.

"Congratulations, you're hired! Oh, by the way, say goodbye to all of your holidays at home, we're your family now"

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thanksgiving day and black friday sales, as well as "big box retailers" in general, encapsulate much of what is wrong with america so i'm ok with the protests

[quote]Part of me is extremely peeved that I received the email asking for my support for the petition because my first reaction was, "Where was change.org and online petitions when I was working slave jobs from 18-25 or so and was asked to work holidays away from my family?"

What makes these employees anymore deserving to have these holidays off then ones who didn't have the ability to make petitions just 5 years ago?[/quote]

congratulations, you have bought into corporate propaganda. yes, be mad at those willing to actually take a stand while you were "working slave jobs from 18-25 or so and were asked to work holidays away from your family" rather than the people who made you do it in the first place.

"where was the government when i was a child laborer from 8 or so? what makes these kids anymore deserving of a childhood devoid of 60 hour work weeks in textile mills than those who didn't have a national child labor committee just 5 years ago?" said great grandpa proudiddy
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Honestly Christmas shopping could wait one more day. Stupid reason to keep people away from their family.
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Lots of folks work on holidays besides big box employees and you dont see them whining about it.

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how come nobody protested 20 years ago when.........

it was only Convenience stores and Chinese restaurants open on turkey day?

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I'm really torn.

I don't think the retailers should open but I also think that if you took a job with them you should have known that you'd be working holidays so STFU and go to work.
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You gotta know your industry, and ALL forms of business are being asked to do more, including things nobody would have considered 10 years ago.

If you're in retail you should know you're going to get screwed around holidays. My buddy has been at Guitar Center since day one in Matthews and even though he doesn't like working every holiday he always says "that's retail".

I do feel a little sorry for them, but if you're working retail you need that job much more than they need you. Tis life...
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when I was 17 and didn't really need to work, I quit Kmart during the holidays. It didn't take long to get sick of that ish.
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My son has to be at work at 3AM Friday morning, work till 11 AM, then back at 4PM and work til close (Rack Room Shoes). He's 17 and I hope he realizes that making good grades will free him from retail hell.
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While I agree that we simply work to much in the US (I also lived overseas where places closed at 5:00 or even earlier at random) I also think that if you are a sales associate at Wal-Mart you don't have much leg to stand on.

Love or hate Wal-MArt they have provided a segment of jobs that didn't exist before.
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[quote name='gospodin shuttlesworth' timestamp='1353491288' post='2010736']
thanksgiving day and black friday sales, as well as "big box retailers" in general, encapsulate much of what is wrong with america so i'm ok with the protests



congratulations, you have bought into corporate propaganda. yes, be mad at those willing to actually take a stand while you were "working slave jobs from 18-25 or so and were asked to work holidays away from your family" rather than the people who made you do it in the first place.

"where was the government when i was a child laborer from 8 or so? what makes these kids anymore deserving of a childhood devoid of 60 hour work weeks in textile mills than those who didn't have a national child labor committee just 5 years ago?" said great grandpa proudiddy
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No, maybe I didn't make myself clear... I don't buy into anything "corporate" in regards to what [i]they're selling.[/i] When I worked jobs like that, I viewed it as though I was going to work for "my business." I was CEO of Proudiddy International, I wasn't working for Target or Walmart, I was working for me. If they got in the way of getting my money with minimal problems, I made it hard on them or quit.

I got caught up in ranting, basically about how it's an issue now to other people because of those stupid online petitions... But, my true issue is how such petitions are asking others to validate their position, when truly, they have bought into the corporate propaganda if they don't realize they hold power over their own employment. Why can't people be responsible for themselves?

All these retailers have been doing the same crap for years, and I agree they are a part of "the problem," but an even bigger problem is people not asserting themselves when it comes to their own situation from the jump. That's why retailers have felt they can work employees like slaves, no questions asked. Now that I've bought into their agenda, go ahead, ask me how many holidays I've worked in my life... LOL.

That's my problem. Another example that comes to mind of people not asserting themselves individually, and then even collectively in those type of workplaces - After I decided I wasn't working anymore of those jobs unless I was hired in as a manager and I was in college, I was walking down the aisle at a Target in Durham. There was two young guys "zoning" or fronting the shelves... They were talking as they were doing it, laughing, etc. But they were working. All of a sudden this manager walks by and is completely in the zone - head straight forward, focused, not looking at anything around him. Then the manager passes the aisle the two young guys were on... He hears them talking and laughing as they're working. It's like it clicked a minute later... He stops, turns around, walks back to their aisle and says, "So it takes two of you to work this one aisle? Split up!" I wanted to choke that manager for them. But, they both put their head down, acted like two children whose mother just scolded them, and split up with not a word said back...

And it's funny you mocked my position with the "great grandpa schtick" as well referring to child labor because my first job was at a Hardee's, at 15, in which my manager worked us mercilessly and held me and several other kids well over the child labor hours on school nights... That was a good time though, lol.

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uh i'm pretty sure workers were fighting for things like weekends and holidays off long before internet petitions

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[quote name='gospodin shuttlesworth' timestamp='1353508290' post='2010850']
uh i'm pretty sure workers were fighting for things like weekends and holidays off long before internet petitions
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Yes, but I'm saying why does it matter NOW because of internet petitions?

Before that, you had to make your decision and live with it - on your own. Or if you were lucky, you could rally up other employees to join you, but good luck getting those already brainwashed in those places to walk out with you.

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but isn't that a good thing? why is networking and organizing a bad thing? i don't really see the problem with petitions

also i don't know if i'd call, say, employees who don't walk out or strike or whatever "brainwashed." if you work at walmart you're probably a wage slave already and it's not easy to leverage your labor against the waltons when you depend on your paycheck to survive
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[quote name='gospodin shuttlesworth' timestamp='1353508776' post='2010856']
but isn't that a good thing? why is networking and organizing a bad thing? i don't really see the problem with petitions

also i don't know if i'd call, say, employees who don't walk out or strike or whatever "brainwashed." if you work at walmart you're probably a wage slave already and it's not easy to leverage your labor against the waltons when you depend on your paycheck to survive
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Well, as I said, I have mixed emotions about it. The bitter part seems much more obvious though because of angst against the system and as I've said, in my own experience, I would've just walked out if I had a problem with it.

It's for a good cause. They shouldn't be working on holidays and they shouldn't be forced out of those jobs if they need it.

Because you're right, a lot of them aren't "brainwashed" per se, it's quite likely that they do actually need the job. But, I also get angry in that instance for people allowing companies like that to gain that leverage over them. My bigger problem is with our system as a whole, and retailers are right at the center of it. But, I'm also irritated that the employees have allowed themselves into such positions of need that their individual rights aren't respected.

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