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#11 tight lines

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:46 PM

I've said this before: new GM != new coaching staffs. The Giants and Eagles both changes GMs without changing coaches.

Both of those situations were nothing like the situation in Carolina
First off both of those GMs left of their own accord
1 Accorsi retired and Heckert left to take the GM position in cleveland (most likely because he was truly only and advisor to Andy Reid in Philly not a full GM)

2 Both of the coaches in the example had been to the playoffs 2 years in a row at the point of the new GM being hired

3 The GM in Philly likely doesn't have the authority to fire the HC as Andy reid is the executive vice president of football operations in philly and has the final say on all football related moves (he is the GM for all intents and purposes and the GM in title is his assistant)

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

Both of those situations were nothing like the situation in Carolina
First off both of those GMs left of their own accord
1 Accorsi retired and Heckert left to take the GM position in cleveland (most likely because he was truly only and advisor to Andy Reid in Philly not a full GM)

2 Both of the coaches in the example had been to the playoffs 2 years in a row at the point of the new GM being hired

3 The GM in Philly likely doesn't have the authority to fire the HC as Andy reid is the executive vice president of football operations in philly and has the final say on all football related moves (he is the GM for all intents and purposes and the GM in title is his assistant)


The bears also changed their Gm without changing their coach. And Accorsi did not retire willingly.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:12 PM

Rivera pretty much made the case for why he shouldn't be here.....

a HC is a manager of the show.....that is where he is weakest. I think he is a great X and O guy and DC mind. But we have lost all those close games b/c he is crappy HC.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

I think we're reading too much into his statement.

In the end his fate had always rested with JR either directly or indirectly.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

Please JR let that clown go.

The only reason we are winning games now is because of Cam and our defense has showed up.Rivera is not head coaching material he shows no emotion on the sideline whether we win or lose.I also don't want a head coach who doesn't back his franchise qb in the media.When Cam was getting bashed by the media Rivera was nowhere to be found,a real leader would back his franchise player,yet Rivera stayed quiet and let Cam take all the blame as if he didn't deserve any blame for his terrible coaching and clock managment at the end of games.

Rivera is not a leader of man,and he is too laid back/cool as a coach,he doesn't demand respect from the players.I have yet to see any of our key players say anything good about Rivera,he needs to go period.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Please JR let that clown go.

The only reason we are winning games now is because of Cam and our defense has showed up.Rivera is not head coaching material he shows no emotion on the sideline whether we win or lose.I also don't want a head coach who doesn't back his franchise qb in the media.When Cam was getting bashed by the media Rivera was nowhere to be found,a real leader would back his franchise player,yet Rivera stayed quiet and let Cam take all the blame as if he didn't deserve any blame for his terrible coaching and clock managment at the end of games.

Rivera is not a leader of man,and he is too laid back/cool as a coach,he doesn't demand respect from the players.I have yet to see any of our key players say anything good about Rivera,he needs to go period.

Rivera also coaches different in meaningless games.....so his coaching HAS been part of the improved play. We needed a yard earlier in the season several times.....now, late, and meaningless.....he goes and get that yard on the ground.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

The bears also changed their Gm without changing their coach. And Accorsi did not retire willingly.

From what I can gather accorsi had been talking about retiring for several years. I dont see anything beyond speculation that indicates his retirement was forced.

The bears situation is closer.
Lovie has had a bit more success than rivera, was in the playoffs his second and third years as a head coach, and has not had back to back losing seasons in 8 years as a head coach.

Rivera on the other hand is starting out with back to back losing seasons

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

Maybe...... hopefully....... if some how Rivera doesn't get canned....... he learned a few things from these last couple games. You have to remember, he is learning as a HC too.

The issue is, getting a great GM here will be a lot easier if we give him permission to bring in his own coaching staff.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:58 PM

Oh no.

He'll be back.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

I think it's 50/50 right now

If we lose to Oakland for sure, if we beat them then lose badly to NO (which I can actually see happening) he's gone

7-9 or goodbye imo

I like him and think he's established a potentially strong offense & defense for us and heck the playbooks with Chud and McD are good but he can't execute or make the proper in-game management moves as CRA alluded to. He's half a head coach. We don't have a sideline coach and that's a problem whether it be a coordinator or hc.


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