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Cam fined an additonal 10k, Hardy, Godfrey also fined


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#25 TheRed

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

I expected one for Hardy too, not that agree with it but that is the league now.

So how many Raiders were fined?

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

I have a feeling that these kind of situations have a way of working themselves out. We have guys like CJ making millions... probably has more money than he knows what to do with. I know that if I was in that room, we'd be passing a hat around and taking these fines as a team. Playing hard means wins. Sometimes playing hard means getting fined. Sometimes your boy getting fined means you step up and take care of it for him if you've got it like that. Especially the dude on the other end of your defensive line who has helped you rack up stats. I wouldn't lose much sleep over the fact that these are big fines. CJ probably drops more on the weekend at the club.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:30 PM

You can't fine me, bro.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

The Hardy hit was the most obvious penalty and fine of the whole game. Easy penalty and easy fine. I can't imagine how you can argue that was a clean hit. It was an AWESOME hit but also the definition of the rule below. Plus it has been called all year.

http://espn.go.com/b...ssary-roughness

(f) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures, including but not limited to:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; or

(2) Lowering the head and violently or unnecessarily making forcible contact with the “hairline” or forehead part of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body; or

(3) “Launching” (springing forward and upward) into a defenseless player, or otherwise striking him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet or facemask to forcibly strike the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face—even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the defenseless player’s neck. (Examples: a defender buries his facemask into a defenseless player’s high chest area, but the defender’s trajectory as he leaps into the defenseless player causes the defender’s helmet to strike the defenseless player violently in the head or face; or a defender, using a face-on posture or with his head slightly lowered, hits a defenseless player in an area below the defenseless player’s neck, then the defender’s head moves upward, resulting in strong contact by the defender’s mask or helmet with the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face [an example is the so-called “dip and rip” technique]).


Probably worth it though.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:39 PM

I think the fine system is way out of hand. However, if you want it to be fair, fine the players percentages of game checks. I thought Thomas was going to be fined. $20k to him is huge, while a player like Charles Johnson can pull it out of petty cash. What this is creating--and I wonder if it did not impact Sherrod Martin, who was fined a few times as a rookie, is a league of entitlement--where the high-paid players can play with reckless abandon, and sixth-round players on rookie contracts have to back off.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

Just saw a replay of that the aftermath of Kelly's hit on Cam and I hope Kelly gets what is coming to him. Somehow I missed how blatant his "slam knee into the ground" was. What kind of poo for brains goes at a players knee? If we play the Raiders again, I wanna see him get fuged up. That was complete bullshit on his part.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:06 PM

The Hardy hit was the most obvious penalty and fine of the whole game. Easy penalty and easy fine. I can't imagine how you can argue that was a clean hit. It was an AWESOME hit but also the definition of the rule below. Plus it has been called all year.

http://espn.go.com/b...ssary-roughness



Probably worth it though.

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Except Hardy did none of that.

(f) He used his facemask, but didn't spear violently or unnecessarily. He obviously wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he was trying to tackle him. There's no way he could have had a chance at making the tackle without going directly for him and reaching out.
(1) He didn't hit the head, neck or face.
(2) He didn't lower his head. His facemask is clearly up from the photo evidence.
(3) He didn't launch. He ran through, exactly as they're supposed to tackle.

I don't see the problem. I hope he appeals.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

Except Hardy did none of that.

(f) He used his facemask, but didn't spear violently or unnecessarily. He obviously wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he was trying to tackle him. There's no way he could have had a chance at making the tackle without going directly for him and reaching out.
(1) He didn't hit the head, neck or face.
(2) He didn't lower his head. His facemask is clearly up from the photo evidence.
(3) He didn't launch. He ran through, exactly as they're supposed to tackle.

I don't see the problem. I hope he appeals.


Well he didn't violently hit Palmer....the textbook way you are taught by looking at your target.

NFL basically changing the way football is played. Flag football era is coming....big hits even if done correctly are simpy being discouraged

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

Except Hardy did none of that.

(f) He used his facemask, but didn't spear violently or unnecessarily. He obviously wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he was trying to tackle him. There's no way he could have had a chance at making the tackle without going directly for him and reaching out.
(1) He didn't hit the head, neck or face.
(2) He didn't lower his head. His facemask is clearly up from the photo evidence.
(3) He didn't launch. He ran through, exactly as they're supposed to tackle.

I don't see the problem. I hope he appeals.


0% chance he wins an appeal,

You stick your helmet in the back of a QB it's a penalty whether your head is up or down. Hardy knows this as well as anyone. You guys can do mental gymnastics all you like but its simply not a clean hit. I wish it were but these are the rules.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:51 PM

These fines are due to multiple issues. Partly due to NFLPA pushing all the injury settlements for players after their careers are done etc (and I'm not saying some of those guys don't deserve to be taken care of)., partly due to trying to protect the perception of the game because too many people calling out the violence of the game.

I think IF the players want to be able to play without worrying about so many fines they have to come out and say they accept the risks of the game as it is. They know what they are getting into. Obviously there still has to be fines to ward off ridiculous actions but the only way is for the players to openly say they accept the risks and don't complain later on after the game has eaten them up. Which they won't do. So I don't think its just the NFL's fault.. that's just society today it seems.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

Damn we some thugs.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

I don't agree with but I understand the Cam fine. The NFL makes a point to protect the Refs.
I don't agree or understand the Hardy fine.