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#31 MHS831

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:40 AM

Rivera's job hangs on the new GM. I would imagine the order is
1) Find a new GM
2) New GM decides if he wants to interview Rivera.

Rivera, especially with a win today, has done well enough that we don't know whether the new GM will want to try him for another year.


I agree with you, for the most part. However, if I am the new GM, when I evaluate Rivera, I do not consider wins and losses without looking into the reasons for the wins and losses..

I interview him, randomly-selected players, and I watch game tape to determine his decison-making process.

If you want to look at wins, look at the significance of the win. I am estimating and repeating things I have heard here because I am too lazy to look it up:

RR has 1 win in close games, 10+ losses (TD or less)
RR may get 7 wins this season, but only 1 was vs. a winniing team (Atlanta-the Skins were losers when we played them). The rest (NOrleans, San Diego, Oakland, and Eagles) were either coachless or are soon going to be. Teams in disarrray.
Losing teams beat the Panthers on 3 occasions: Tampa Bay twice and the Chiefs (48 hours after a player committed suicide on the facility in front of the coach and GM.)--4 if you include Dallas, who was terrible at the time and could finish 8-8 today.

Rivera managed (chose that verb carefully) to extract defeat from the jaws of victory vs. Tampa Bay in Charlotte, Atlanta in Atlanta, Chicago in the Windy City (That is 3 games the Panthers had locked up if the coach had the team prepared and managed the game well), and poor performances against winnable teams at home (Dallas, Seattle). Losing to KC was inexcusable. In all cases, our players panicked. Leadership eliminates panic and replaces it with confidence.

There is no excuse, as a coach, for causing a team to lose 3 games based on poor management. We had the Falcons, Bears, and Bucs beaten--just manage the clock and do nothing stupid. RIvera failed. I recall when Bill Bellichek went for it on 4th and 2 and lost to the Colts a few years back. There was talk of firing him. Because it was arguably the best coach in NFL history, there was an overreaction. Rivera did this 3 times and nobody says much--it is because it was expected.

Those three games are the difference--we could be 9-6 right now, playing for our 10th win and a playoff birth if our coach had not let us down 3 times. That matters. If you accept mediocrity (7-9 and a helluva run agianst lame duck coaches down the stretch) then that is what you will get. If Rivera says,"We were 4-2 down the stretch" again this year, then I hope someone says, "About the 2-8 stretch before that...."

#32 PantherTrain84

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:41 AM

Lombardi will be on NFL network next.


He just talked about lovie smith and Jason Garrett, I assume since its live they didnt show a repeat of what he said about Rivera

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

Post anything worthy about the panthers for the guys at work.

#34 Bj-Monster23

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:46 AM

Post anything worthy about the panthers for the guys at work.


Nothing was discussed but the Jason Garrett and Lovie Smith job safety. He discussed earlier this morning on first on the field about the job safety of Andy, Norv, Rivera, and Pat Shurmur. He pretty much said that these 4 is what he keeps hearing that will not return to coach next season.

#35 Panic

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:50 AM

MHS831 - Love the Post, a very strong argument for letting Ron go.

One thing that I could not get out of my mind reading it, Fox would have won those games.

As much as i want to support JR, The big cat needs to look no further than himself for the shape of the franchise.

We had a Great coach that needed some motivating to start playing younger players and change some schemes.

Some times a change of scenry is a good thing, but you must replace them with proven talent.

If you hire unproven talent you must expect a learning curve.

I love ya Big Cat, but come on man, you played in this league you should know better.

#36 PantherTrain84

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:52 AM

If we hire Ross and keep Rivera, I could live with that even though I think Rivera should be gone, if we promote Beane and keep Rivera, I will be fully convinced this team has no future and we might as well be sold to LA

#37 CarolinaVeins

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:56 AM

Jason Cole? Never heard of him (QCB voice)

#38 carp24000

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:01 AM

You think fans would actually revolt and tickets sales would plummet if beane and Rivera stayed??

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:07 AM

The sun rises and sets next year with Cam's mental focus and Riv, Chud, and Beane's recollection of just how bad it went when they tried to outsmart everyone in the league by turning Cam into The Golden Calf of Bristol. Sometimes learning these lessons the hard way is better than starting over with somebody else who will have their own ridiculous notions gnawing at them. Yeah it was stupid and yeah it wasted our season but it looks like most of that garbage is in the past and we are finally moving forward.

Maybe this is a team of guys who have seen the limitations and who are therefore the best suited to move forward with.

#40 top dawg

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

Wow. What a bunch of know-it-all negative Nostradamuses.

#41 Happy Panther

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:23 AM

You think fans would actually revolt and tickets sales would plummet if beane and Rivera stayed??


No because tickets are already sold in the form of PSLs

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:28 AM

JR loves his yes men but fug me that would be stupid.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

The older I get the more I realize what a jackass Jerry Richardson is.

#44 Mr. Scot

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

Cole source, who has always been a Panther hater BTW, is Pat Yasinskas

Which we all know is BS.


Wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

Yeah right. Youll be back here just like the rest of us next season.

Seriously if Beane is the GM fans will depart in droves and I'll be among them. I refuse to support a team that is content to simply take my money and pile up losing seasons.




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