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The Bottom Line Over the Gun Issue

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Ok, so please excuse me while I set the record straight here over the gun control issue.

It's very easy, and it goes a little bit like this...as long as guns exist, they must be available to everyone, period. And when I say everyone, no, I don't mean lunatic criminals. The absolute worst case scenario we could find ourselves in, which history has displayed very deeply, is a situation where the general public is [i]banned[/i] from firearm ownership, while law enforcement and military are [i]allowed[/i] the use of such equipment. This is a recipe for disaster and complete tyranny.

In a perfect world, there would be no such thing as guns...and it is in my personal opinion that I wish they were available to [i]no one[/i] on the planet, and even better yet, were never invented in the first place. Unfortunately this is not the case, so we must logically deal with the situation at hand, based especially on the lessons suffered by oppressed nations of the past. If we want to maintain any level of liberty, it is imperative the playing field is level across the board. Without equality in this sense, in accordance with the state, we can kiss the miniscule level of freedom we still have left, goodbye.

Don't get me wrong here...I'm no fan of guns. In all reality, I find them to be a disgusting reflection of humanity's state of mind and awareness (or lack thereof). Their designed intent is to kill and no more...and it is because of this that I am not a fan. But like I said, the playing field must be even as long as they exist. As far as the big picture goes however, the underlying issue behind reckless acts of hate should not fall back on guns. It's all about the intent. Without an operator to, and an intent with a firearm, there is no murder. This goes for any weapon for that matter...or even no weapon at all. Overlooking this foundational aspect to said acts, while going after a scapegoat (guns), isn't only lazy and illogical, but is completely irresponsible.

Speaking of lazy arguments...there is a point of view out there floating around that likes to base their stance around statistics...specifically on murder vs. injury when dealing with an attacker. Of course, if murder can be prevented that is always a plus. Let's take a look at the stabbings that took place in that Chinese school the same day as CT shooting. Yes, lives were spared, however the quality of life these kids will endure throughout the rest of their existence will be very rough for them. Could you imagine being that young and having a madman bust in your school and start stabbing at you and everyone around you? These kids who suffered that experience have been traumatized for life. Everything will be different for them from here on out. It is an absolute tragedy.

So with all this being said, the main issue at hand here is.....how do we create an environment on the planet that will not foster this type of behavior and psychotic states of mind? How can we get everyone to be happy and stress free? That's what it all comes down to. Is this reality even a possibility? I would like to think so...but humanity has eons worth of growing up to do first.

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Anywho, I will now get off my pedestal...thank you for reading B)
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So it would be better for those kids in China to have died?

Awesome post.

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Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit eh?
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law enforcement and military are always going to hold a significant advantage over civilians, so that part is irrelevant. voting for the correct candidates will do a lot more to protect you from tyranny than your cheap guns. this isn't the 18th century anymore. good luck shooting down a drone if you ever decide to go forward with your reactionary "revolution"

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so is your opinion that everyone should have access to every type of firearm? or is your argument just that we shouldn't ban all firearms?

I'm just curious because last I checked there were no serious efforts to ban firearms entirely in this country.

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[quote name='Delhommey' timestamp='1357260792' post='2075599']
So it would be better for those kids in China to have died?

Awesome post.
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Either scenario ends in tragedy. If you die, everyone that loved you then suffers greatly, while you transition in peace. If you survive on the other hand, such as the Chinese stabbings, you run a high risk of living a life of fear and paranoia...your own personal hell...while those around you suffer from it. It's a toss up on which is worse. In the end, the only way to end such acts of violence is for people to stop having the intentions to do so. That is the only answer. When there is a will, there is a way.

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I feel a lot better about my current thinking on this issue thanks to venom.

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[quote name='gospodin shuttlesworth' timestamp='1357260892' post='2075607']
law enforcement and military are always going to hold a significant advantage over civilians, so that part is irrelevant. voting for the correct candidates will do a lot more to protect you from tyranny than your cheap guns. this isn't the 18th century anymore. good luck shooting down a drone if you ever decide to go forward with your reactionary "revolution"
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Drones can be shot down but a better approach would be hacking them.

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oh right yeah so when you reactionaries shoot your pistols in the air like yosemite sam and ddos .gov websites let me know how that works out for you

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You can't shoot a drone down with a pistol. Well maybe, I really haven't given it that much thought. If its close enough I guess it's possible, though highly unlikely.

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[quote name='venom' timestamp='1357262134' post='2075638']


Either scenario ends in tragedy. If you die, everyone that loved you then suffers greatly, while you transition in peace. If you survive on the other hand, such as the Chinese stabbings, you run a high risk of living a life of fear and paranoia...your own personal hell...while those around you suffer from it. It's a toss up on which is worse. In the end, the only way to end such acts of violence is for people to stop having the intentions to do so. That is the only answer. When there is a will, there is a way.
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Uh oh. CofW is slipping on his handler duties.

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[quote name='gospodin shuttlesworth' timestamp='1357260892' post='2075607']
law enforcement and military are always going to hold a significant advantage over civilians, so that part is irrelevant.[b] voting for the correct candidates will do a lot more to protect you from tyranny than your cheap guns[/b]. this isn't the 18th century anymore. good luck shooting down a drone if you ever decide to go forward with your reactionary "revolution"
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That would be true if our political system wasn't monopolized by the powers that be. All it takes is the declaration of martial law and a national state of emergency and the rest is irrelevant.

And yes, law enforcement and military will inherently hold an advantageous position, but that doesn't mean you should lay down and throw in the towel all together. You'd think we all would've learned from history by now.

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[quote name='cookinwithgas' timestamp='1357264237' post='2075681']
I feel a lot better about my current thinking on this issue thanks to venom.
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y u always gotta b trollin?
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[quote name='Delhommey' timestamp='1357267297' post='2075787']


Uh oh. CofW is slipping on his handler duties.
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Wha?

[quote name='venom' timestamp='1357267754' post='2075801']


y u always gotta b trollin?
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[quote name='venom' timestamp='1357267560' post='2075793']
That would be true if our political system wasn't monopolized by the powers that be. All it takes is the declaration of martial law and a national state of emergency and the rest is irrelevant.

And yes, law enforcement and military will inherently hold an advantageous position, but that doesn't mean you should lay down and throw in the towel all together. You'd think we all would've learned from history by now.
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history doesn't really provide any lessons on dealing with the modern american military on its home turf

it's not "throwing in the towel" to acknowledge that the american military would defeat an american civilian uprising 100 times out of 100, because the towel was already thrown in by the american public years ago

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[quote name='venom' timestamp='1357267560' post='2075793']


That would be true if our political system wasn't monopolized by the powers that be. All it takes is the declaration of martial law and a national state of emergency and the rest is irrelevant.

And yes, law enforcement and military will inherently hold an advantageous position, but that doesn't mean you should lay down and throw in the towel all together. You'd think we all would've learned from history by now.
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I hold much respect for you, and your posts Venom...even though I believe very little of them.

But our military will not take up arms against us. Our military men/women would rather fight to uphold our constitution that Delhommey, Panthro, Zod, mmmmbeans, etc seem to hate.

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why do they hate the constitution just because they view its various complexities of interpretation as actual complexities instead of treating it lazily at face value? in my opinion there is no bigger obstacle to dialogue and discourse than someone who reverts to statements like "well you just hate the constitution" (which means absolutely nothing anyway) as a method of debate. YML i'm sure you can do much, much better than that.

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Funny how sacred the Constitution is to conservatives only a few years after it was just a "Goddamn piece of paper".

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Simple fact US citizens having guns is the biggest deterrent from a enemy nation attacking the US, That and two large body of oceans.

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[quote name='Squirrel' timestamp='1357295847' post='2076182']
Simple fact US citizens having guns is the biggest deterrent from a enemy nation attacking the US, That and two large body of oceans.
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And the most powerful military in the history of the earth.

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[quote name='Delhommey' timestamp='1357291483' post='2076169']
Funny how sacred the Constitution is to conservatives only a few years after it was just a "Goddamn piece of paper".
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Source?

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[quote name='gospodin shuttlesworth' timestamp='1357260892' post='2075607']
law enforcement and military are always going to hold a significant advantage over civilians, so that part is irrelevant. voting for the correct candidates will do a lot more to protect you from tyranny than your cheap guns. this isn't the 18th century anymore. good luck shooting down a drone if you ever decide to go forward with your reactionary "revolution"
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Foolish to even think this.

Military and Police forces are not drones, they are humans, many would return to their homes if things were to ever get that bad.

Sorry, but I will not lay down, and hope that my government "protects" me.

That's my job.

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[quote name='thefuzz' timestamp='1357312651' post='2076326']


Source?
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

Amongst others

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[quote name='Delhommey' timestamp='1357314740' post='2076385']
[url="http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml"]http://www.capitolhi...icle_7779.shtml[/url]

Amongst others
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After reading that fabulous piece of journalism....I believe every single word of it.

That said, I am no more a Bush supporter then I am an Obama supporter. Both have been terrible for this country, and in so many different ways.

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The bottom line on guns is this. People want them for 3 reasons:

1) It is their toys

2) It makes them feel empowered

3) It makes them feel tough

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