Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Are the Panthers attractive to a GM prospect?


  • Please log in to reply
100 replies to this topic

#61 Cyberjag

Cyberjag

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,613 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

It takes all the pressure off the GM to decide the coaching piece while he fixes the cap and get the lay of the land. No matter what Rivera does, he is looking good. Gets to keep him if he is successful or can him and bring in another guy when he is ready to make wholesale changes. He will be seen as decisive if he pulls the trigger and successful if we have a winning season. Richardson has always let the GM manage the money and players. He has people like Morrison to oversee things and provide guidance.

This is the upside to JR opting to keep Rivera--it gives an incoming GM a pass on the first season.

Regardless of what people may think of JR and the way the Panthers are run, if you want to be a GM, you have a choice of six franchises. If you compare them to the Panthers, here's what you see, in what I think is descending order of desirability:

Chargers: Probably the most desirable of landing spots. There's a troubling lack of talent on defense, but that can be fixed through free agency and the draft over the next couple of seasons. There's a patient owner, a franchise quarterback, and you get to pick the coach.

Cardinals: There's a great defense in place and you get to choose your coach. The offense needs a lot of work.

Chiefs: Your coach has been chosen for you and will want final say over personnel, but at least you know he's good. Your starting QB is a journeyman. On the bright side, there's talent on defense and the franchise has a decent history.

Browns: You might have a franchise quarterback, but it's more likely you have Weinke 2.0. There's talent and a passionate fan base, and there's a rich history. Unfortunately, it's pretty much a losing history.

Jags: There's talent, but the team sorely needs a franchise quarterback (Gabbert isn't it). You get to choose your coach. There's a real challenge regarding the overall franchise stability, because of lackluster attendance, so you may end up in LA at some point.

Jets: You get a terrible owner, a coach who won't cooperate with you, no quarterback, and the New York media to contend with. What's not to love?

Looking at that list, I think that the Panthers come in 2nd or 3rd. San Diego is going to be the preferred landing spot of a lot of aspiring GMs, IMHO.

#62 Mr. Scot

Mr. Scot

    Football Historian

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 37,497 posts
  • LocationSC

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

"The other names have only recently come out, but had they declined, yes we would have heard."
Knowing this organization as well as you do, how can you say this with any certainty?

Please remember that the only legitimate source for any information is the same guy who claimed not to know who Harbaugh was a couple years ago during the same presser he drew us the pie chart.


How about because the guys we're interviewing don't work for this organization yet.

What reason would their current employers have to suppress news that they're declining interviews elsewhere?

Heck, most teams trumpet that sort of thing ("See that? We're so great people want to stay with us rather than get promoted with other teams.")

#63 Anybodyhome

Anybodyhome

    USN Retired

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,346 posts
  • LocationWherever I May Roam

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

Well, many of the recent Superbowl champs have had GMs who didn't hire the HCs.


Just because you hire a new GM doesn't mean you have to hire a new HC.

Ernie Accorsi hired Tom Coughlin. Were they supposed to fire Tom Coughlin when Jerry Reese took over for Accorsi?

#64 DaCityKats

DaCityKats

    feed KB 2014

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,516 posts
  • LocationDa City

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

Those GMs were given a HC. They didn't hire their own guy



Sean Payton

This is the first coach hired by current general manager Mickey Loomis, who was promoted after team owner Tom Benson fired Randy Mueller in 2002. Mueller, now the Miami Dolphins' GM, hired Haslett

.
http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2295741

Mike McCarthy

Packers general manager Ted Thompson chose San Francisco 49ers offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy to be the team's new coach, with an official announcement coming Thursday afternoon.


http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2288985

Mike Tomlin

But Mr. Tomlin thoroughly impressed the Steelers' three-man search committee -- president Art Rooney, chairman Dan Rooney and football operations director Kevin Colbert -- in his first interview, and he immediately became a serious candidate.


http://www.post-gaze.../#ixzz2HDehfx9J

Tom Coughlin

So it was with great confidence that Ernie Accorsi and I recommended to my father and Bob Tisch in 2004 that we hire Tom


http://bleacherrepor...h-in-perpetuity


the GM or future GM where all involved with hiring the coach. now do we know thats what Jerry was doing all week asking the GM porspects what they thought of Rivera , no. but i hope so.

#65 rayzor

rayzor

    shula is who i thought he was.

  • Moderators
  • -29,775 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:02 PM

I think Zod's trolling a little with that last line.

i know...at least i hope.

kind of surprised that wh*re was bleeped out.

#66 Davis83

Davis83

    Rebelling since 1753

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 663 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

If I was a GM, it'd be mighty hard to pass up unlimited Bojangles on game day.

#67 Anybodyhome

Anybodyhome

    USN Retired

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,346 posts
  • LocationWherever I May Roam

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

How about because the guys we're interviewing don't work for this organization yet.

What reason would their current employers have to suppress news that they're declining interviews elsewhere?

Heck, most teams trumpet that sort of thing ("See that? We're so great people want to stay with us rather than get promoted with other teams.")


The very opposite reason is just as likely. Perhaps because guys choosing not to be interviewed don't work here, either.

Teams are only required to request permission from a team when:
* That team is still in their post-season or has not finished their schedule.
* The person being interviewed is seeking a promotion.

If a GM is seeking a lateral move as GM from one team to another, permission is not required unless the team is still playing its scheduled games.

Obviously, this is also dependent upon the contract status of the interviewee. In other words, if JR wanted to interview Mike Tannenbaum, now that he's out of work, he doesn't have to say anything to anyone. Who knows, Ernie Accorsi might be the guy.

#68 Mr. Scot

Mr. Scot

    Football Historian

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 37,497 posts
  • LocationSC

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

The very opposite reason is just as likely. Perhaps because guys choosing not to be interviewed don't work here, either.

Teams are only required to request permission from a team when:
* That team is still in their post-season or has not finished their schedule.
* The person being interviewed is seeking a promotion.

If a GM is seeking a lateral move as GM from one team to another, permission is not required unless the team is still playing its scheduled games.

Obviously, this is also dependent upon the contract status of the interviewee. In other words, if JR wanted to interview Mike Tannenbaum, now that he's out of work, he doesn't have to say anything to anyone. Who knows, Ernie Accorsi might be the guy.


You're making a reach that Mister Fantastic would have trouble with here.

We're not looking at existing GMs, so I'm not sure why you included that bit.

The Jets, Jaguars and Chargers have all had prospects decline to interview. Eric DeCosta preemptively declined everybody. All of it was publicized.

Down here, we've made four requests. All were publicized. Our confirmed interviews are public knowledge as well (Gettleman Monday, Ross Tuesday).

You can continue to believe that there's some super secret sneakiness going on if you want to, but there's really nothing to support it.

#69 thefuzz

thefuzz

    coppin a feel

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,019 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

Honestly I would think that the pecking order would be.

Chargers

Chiefs

Panthers

Each one has their issues, but those three all have some talent, and either great locations or great fan bases.

Chargers have their QB, and a young but talented D, a great location, but a really poor stadium situation.

Chiefs have a great fan base, and a great HC, not the best location, and no QB.

Panthers have their QB, and some pieces of talent, but will be hamstrung a bit by the cap, but play in a great location.

#70 Mr. Scot

Mr. Scot

    Football Historian

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 37,497 posts
  • LocationSC

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

Hard to believe any team is a bigger Mongolian Cluster @#$% than the Jets right now. And new owner aside, the Browns are perpetual losers.

Even those teams have interested candidates.

#71 CRA

CRA

    Senior Member

  • Moderators
  • 24,279 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

the GM or future GM where all involved with hiring the coach. now do we know thats what Jerry was doing all week asking the GM porspects what they thought of Rivera , no. but i hope so.


Giants - Jerry Reese became GM in 2007. He inherited Coughin who was hired in 2004.

Steelers - Cowher was the inherited coach.

Neither of them had won rings yet. Given to new GMs. They account for 3 of last 15 rings given out.

There are other examples, those are two Superbowl examples from well regarded organizations. point simply is that isn't something just Jerry Jones would do

#72 KendrickPanther

KendrickPanther

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,588 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

You guys know the Panthers situation really well but you don't know all the issues with other franchises. Jerry Richardson is respected around the league. By the way, if teams don't leak that their guys are turning down interviews then Agents definitely are. Agents number one job is to create an image of demand for their clients.

#73 DaCityKats

DaCityKats

    feed KB 2014

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,516 posts
  • LocationDa City

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Giants - Jerry Reese became GM in 2007. He inherited Coughin who was hired in 2004.

Steelers - Cowher was the inherited coach.

Neither of them had won rings yet. Given to new GMs. They account for 3 of last 15 rings given out.

There are other examples, those are two Superbowl examples from well regarded organizations. point simply is that isn't something just Jerry Jones would do

the GM Ernie hired Coughin and won a super bowl. why would Reese come in and fire a super bowl winning coach?how did Cowher get into the convo, besides the guy who replaced him won a super bowl and was hired by the team that consist of the GM. my point is in those organization the GM is apart of the team that fires and hires most coaches. not just the owner.

#74 unicar15

unicar15

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,613 posts

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

I think it's a good GM job b/c it's honestly relatively low pressure considering other jobs out there right now. Only drawback is that JR just made a decision classically made by the GM. So now the GM has to live with a guy he didn't pick for at least one more year.

#75 pantherclaw

pantherclaw

    Wise Ass

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,514 posts
  • LocationGalveston

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

Any GM worth having would be interested.


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com - IP Content Design by Joshua Tree / TitansReport.