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#31 beach

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:52 AM

I wish we would just start treating Cam like the prototype pocket passer he physically is. Why do we need a run option at all?


I agree with this. Plus, no matter if he hands it off or keeps it, we're starting of a few yards btlos with no momentum. Sometimes the big runs will come but they've been few and far between. Not having above average run blocking makes this even more difficult.

I think he would fit way better in a more spread style playbook without the read option crap (maybe just 3 or so looks a game), and the rest of the offense more similar to the Texans or Packers and learn to run only when he has to or on designed QB draws. I dunno

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:52 AM

There are a lot of things that go into the read option and why we struggled with it at times compared to other teams.

It isn't just one person/player. Cam was a culprit at times, the o-line was the culprit at times, and Chud was the culprit at times.

All three need to improve, because the read option by itself isn't the issue.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:03 AM

I wish we would just start treating Cam like the prototype pocket passer he physically is. Why do we need a run option at all?

we don't have to, but he's not just a pocket passer and you'd make a huge mistake and points on the board pretending he is. designed runs need to be a part of the offense and more than that, he has to be able to run and take advantage of the holes left open on the field.

he's not safer and the offense isn't made better by putting him in a box and limiting what he does.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:04 AM

Run Option works here.
It's one of our more productive plays (yards/snap).

It's the other peices that don't work, that leads to the Read Option hate, b/c God forbid we mention DWill runs like a pussy for 75% of his plays this season.

yep. it works. we'll keep using it.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

we don't have to, but he's not just a pocket passer and you'd make a huge mistake and points on the board pretending he is. designed runs need to be a part of the offense and more than that, he has to be able to run and take advantage of the holes left open on the field.

he's not safer and the offense isn't made better by putting him in a box and limiting what he does.


It is funny when people talk about protecting him by keeping him from running. But almost every one of his minor injuries this year have come in the pocket.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:07 AM

go back and check out what Miami did with the Wildcat.

Something very different than what teams were accustomed to seeing. They were VERY successful in running it for ONE season. Once teams figured it out....they shut it down.

Go back and watch the 1996 Panthers Defense. Dom Capers was running an exotic defensive scheme (gimmick). It was VERY successful until GB showed how to play it. Then it was shut down.

Gimmick offenses and defenses (something no one has seen before) are usually VERY short lived in the NFL. Teams figure them out and they are basically shut down.

read option isn't a gimmick.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

read option isn't a gimmick.


In the NFL is is.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

In the NFL is is.



No it isn't.

It's a play.


Gimmicks are triple reverses and the Annexation of Puerto Rico, etc NFL is changing.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

No it isn't.

It's a play.


Gimmicks are triple reverses and the Annexation of Puerto Rico, etc NFL is changing.


what I meant to say was running it as you primary offense (and being successful) is more gimmicky.

There is too much talent and speed on defenses for the Read Option to be a primary offensive scheme.

Sprinkle it in and it is fine. Try and run it as a base offense and you will fail.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

It is funny when people talk about protecting him by keeping him from running. But almost every one of his minor injuries this year have come in the pocket.

same with rg3 and vick and every other QB in the league. that's why there are so many rules protecting the QB....it's dangerous back there. QBs not completely focused on whats around him and he's completely exposed and dependent on an OL to keep him protected, which very often isn't successful and sometimes end up hurting the QB themselves by falling on or getting pushed back on the QB.

QB that can run is better off and safer when he can take off and escape the pocket when that pocket collapses.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

It is funny when people talk about protecting him by keeping him from running. But almost every one of his minor injuries this year have come in the pocket.

ikr?

Vick's concussions come from the pocket.
Theissman's leg, anyone?
Hell, Carson Palmer?



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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

what I meant to say was running it as you primary offense (and being successful) is more gimmicky.

There is too much talent and speed on defenses for the Read Option to be a primary offensive scheme.

Sprinkle it in and it is fine. Try and run it as a base offense and you will fail.

there's very little difference between read option and other run first offenses other than there being two possible runners.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

what I meant to say was running it as you primary offense (and being successful) is more gimmicky.

There is too much talent and speed on defenses for the Read Option to be a primary offensive scheme.

Sprinkle it in and it is fine. Try and run it as a base offense and you will fail.


Really that's true for most any play.

FWIW Cam/Rg3/Niners Guy and even Luck and Russel can run it with success.

To much of anything fails in the NFL.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

ikr?

Vick's concussions come from the pocket.
Theissman's leg, anyone?
Hell, Carson Palmer?

tom brady.

peyton mannings neck injuries happened when?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:21 AM

No it isn't.

It's a play.


Gimmicks are triple reverses and the Annexation of Puerto Rico, etc NFL is changing.

yep.


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