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#41 Marguide

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

I fail to see how any of them would sweat over being cut (but still paid) and then picked up for another team to be paid in duplicate.


Most of our guys don't have guaranteed money coming to them so they won't be double dipping.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

Beene will get Dave his ensure and viagra pills.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

Clausen
Williams
Barnidge
Hangartner
Ron Edwards
Jon Beason
Chris Gamble

All gone, IMO. Maybe even Gross, Smitty, and Anderson. Johnson will likely restructure. Stewart as well.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

Anyone who is a Panther and not the fan of a particular player shouldn't care that much unless we do what we did in 2010 and gut a ton of veterans and locker room leadership by making wholesale changes. Cutting a few high priced vets is one thing but going on a cutting rampage is quite another.
Hopefully Gettleman understands that cutting fat isn't the same as cutting off limbs.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:37 AM

Can someone explain the possibilities of trade vs release for the guys most likely to be rid of this offseason? In terms of cap room, trade value, etc.

Thanks.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:02 AM

Can someone explain the possibilities of trade vs release for the guys most likely to be rid of this offseason? In terms of cap room, trade value, etc.

Thanks.


In nearly every case, traded players are handled just like released players from a cap standpoint. An exception would be if you were able to trade a player to which you still owed guaranteed money in the future and the new team was willing to pick up that obligation. That almost never happens though.

It usually just comes down to the player's value. Consider also that the other teams around the league know who is in danger of being cut, so rather than trade and give up something, they will often just wait for the player to be released and take their chances they can sign them. When trades do occur with players likely to be released, the new team is only gaining exclusive rights to the player and keeping them off the open market, so they usually don't want to give up much in return. Case in point is Asante Samuel. He's a good player, but all Philly got was a 7th round pick from Atlanta.

Guys like Gamble, Gross, DWill and some others are potentially tradeable, but we'll get a lot less for them than we'd like. It really only is worth it if we plan to cut them anyway.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:27 AM

In nearly every case, traded players are handled just like released players from a cap standpoint. An exception would be if you were able to trade a player to which you still owed guaranteed money in the future and the new team was willing to pick up that obligation. That almost never happens though.

It usually just comes down to the player's value. Consider also that the other teams around the league know who is in danger of being cut, so rather than trade and give up something, they will often just wait for the player to be released and take their chances they can sign them. When trades do occur with players likely to be released, the new team is only gaining exclusive rights to the player and keeping them off the open market, so they usually don't want to give up much in return. Case in point is Asante Samuel. He's a good player, but all Philly got was a 7th round pick from Atlanta.

Guys like Gamble, Gross, DWill and some others are potentially tradeable, but we'll get a lot less for them than we'd like. It really only is worth it if we plan to cut them anyway.


Gotcha gotcha, thanks for that. Add that to the fact that they're almost all on the older side, save Beason and Stewart, we're not looking at much trade capability.

So, by theory, it would be smarter to keep D-Lo and trade J-Stew, assuming that their similar production over the years meant that neither is much better than the other?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:07 AM

So, by theory, it would be smarter to keep D-Lo and trade J-Stew, assuming that their similar production over the years meant that neither is much better than the other?


The problem is, Stew still has $11 million dollars in guarantees that he has yet to receive, plus another $7 million dollars yet to hit our cap from his signing bonus. So we just flat can't cut him or we'd go from being $16 million over the cap to being $34 million over the cap.

Moving DWill on the other hand, frees up $5 million in cap space this year if we do it after June 1st, either through trade or a cut. That is going to be tempting to Gettleman.

Should we find someone willing to take on Stew's guaranteed money, then yeah, you could make a case for trading him even though he is much younger. It just seems unlikely to me that we'll find a trading partner. Bottom line, I expect DWill to be gone and Stew to be here. Not saying I like it, just it seems the more likely.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:15 AM

The problem is, Stew still has $11 million dollars in guarantees that he has yet to receive, plus another $7 million dollars yet to hit our cap from his signing bonus. So we just flat can't cut him or we'd go from being $16 million over the cap to being $34 million over the cap.

Moving DWill on the other hand, frees up $5 million in cap space this year if we do it after June 1st, either through trade or a cut. That is going to be tempting to Gettleman.

Should we find someone willing to take on Stew's guaranteed money, then yeah, you could make a case for trading him even though he is much younger. It just seems unlikely to me that we'll find a trading partner. Bottom line, I expect DWill to be gone and Stew to be here. Not saying I like it, just it seems the more likely.


Ahh, right. Stew's deal is still relatively new, so there's still the guaranteed to be factored in. Man, that's unfortunate. Otherwise, he'd probably be able to draw some pretty decent trade value.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:16 AM

Left Tackles don't grow on trees. So unless we have a viable backup option, you don't trade Gross.


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