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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

Another exceptional post from one of the worst posters on this board.

Don't u have some Akron Zips players to "scout" on YouTube?


the guys got a much higher percentage of pie than you do for the number of posts made.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

Gettleman isn't known as a cap guy is he??

That's one of the biggest issues no moving forward so I think a specialist needs to be brought in


None of our candidates were cap guys. All personnel evaluators.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

So does that mean JR is doing the opposite??

Marty = numbers/cap guy & sh1t talent evaluators around him

Gettleman= personel/talent guy & sh1t cap/numbers people around him

???

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

the guys got a much higher percentage of pie than you do for the number of posts made.


Everyone's pie was reset on the forum upgrade. IE usernames that are over a year old have built up their current pie in the past year.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

Either way, the good thing is that we still get those yellow and red boxes at the foozball gems

#21 magnus

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

I'd love for the Panthers to start using that sort of "pre-emptive apprenticeship" structure that the Giants and some others use. It's good strategy both in the office and on the roster.

Good writeup by the way. I'd agree with those suggestions. The org chart is definitely in need of some changes.

absolutely. Which beats having a department head with no one under him.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

absolutely. Which beats having a department head with no one under him.


Seriously.

Carpanfan96 mentioned that Hurney was essentially a "handle everything myself" kind of guy. I have a feeling that's not what Gettleman wants to be. His experience with the Giants would point to just the opposite.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

Great work, Mr. Scot. Seems like Harriss, like Sternfield for Gettleman, is Abrams' theoretical replacement as an assistant GM, but if Abrams isn't leaving, maybe we can grab him. That'd be great.

guys are going to hire who they know. People will have to get over that, and for the most part understand that familiarity with the other guy (and a common system) is more important than hiring random name that a fan recognizes.

I don't give any credence to the Abrams or Ross idea. I don't see them losing their executive scouts (I read that as national scouts), but maybe a few of the scouts will be up for grabs for a promotion to national.

I did a similar workup here: it's more generic, but gives some reasons why I would want them to do these things.

http://absolutepanth.../01/advice.html

good write up.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:39 PM

regarding cap guys, generally there's a specialist who handles that, but I do feel like guys with a pro personnel background have more experience in valuation. College guys grade, and the grade turns to a board. But pro guys have to give input on veterans that will have a value in the marketplace, and on internal guys who already make an amount of money.

They'll have someone who does that, but I don't think it'll specifically be a weakness.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

i wonder if they will be forming a department of analytics. probably wouldn't hear much about it if they do. it tends to be one of the hush hush areas.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

I go into that a bit above, but yes, I imagine they would. They've dealt with outside analysis before, and that's fine. I think that could become a standard in the same way that teams share scouting info from BLESTO or National Scouting. But some of that has to be crunched internally, proprietary information that you can't also get by having $30 worth of membership to PFF.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

Yea, Hurney was a do it self type of Guy. That's one of the reasons he was considered a grinder and hard worker by many. Same thing with Beane. They both handled multiple jobs that most teams have 12 or so people doing. Take a look at the Panther's front office and compare it to other teams.

http://www.azcardina...am/staff.html�� - they have 11 people handling personnel decisions... Scouting, trades...ext.

http://www.panthers....team/staff.html - Hurney and a the two directors handled pretty much everything when it came to personnel decisions and so forth. They have scouts that aren't listed, but Hurney pretty much took everything into his own hands. He'd personally scout for most of the season, he was everywhere during the off season looking at players. He took a lot of responsibility off of his head scouts that he didn't need too.

http://www.giants.com/team/staff.html - They have a similar front office, but they have about a dozen scouts handling and a more structured organization.

Could go on and on, but like I said expect a couple of additional positions under Gettleman here in the Carolina Front Office.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

Yea, Hurney was a do it self type of Guy. That's one of the reasons he was considered a grinder and hard worker by many. Same thing with Beane. They both handled multiple jobs that most teams have 12 or so people doing. Take a look at the Panther's front office and compare it to other teams.

http://www.azcardina...am/staff.html�� - they have 11 people handling personnel decisions... Scouting, trades...ext.

http://www.panthers....team/staff.html - Hurney and a the two directors handled pretty much everything when it came to personnel decisions and so forth.

http://www.giants.com/team/staff.html - They have a similar front office, but they have about a dozen scouts handling what a few did in Carolina.

Could go on and on, but like I said expect a couple of additional positions under Gettleman here in the Carolina Front Office.


Not arguing that other teams use more people than the panthers do, but obviously those websites just publicly list more positions than the panthers do. (The panthers have more than 1 athletic trainer for example). I'm sure there are plenty of scouts that work for the panthers and aren't listed just like other departments only list the directors.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:03 PM

Having just a very few guys who do everything is how the Bengals work.

I'd absolutely prefer that we emulate someone more consistently successful.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

It's highly possible (some might even say likely) that Dave Gettleman won't be the only new name added to the Panthers front office this offseason. Ernie Accorsi's job as a consultant gave him the ability to suggest changes in front office structure. It's also reasonable to think Gettleman will want to put his own imprint on the organization, and do so with some people he knows and trusts.

Here are a few guys from the Giants that could conceivably be brought along and what roles they could fill.


Matt Harriss, Giants Director of Football Operations

Spent five years in the League Management Office where he worked with the salary cap and CBA. Has been assisting the front office with salary cap management and contract negotiation since 2006. Was mentioned by Giants reporter Mike Garafolo when asked by the WFNZ guys who Gettleman could conceivably bring with him. Would likely make a very good cap manager.

(Giants.com bio)


Matt Shauger, Giants Pro Scout

Ten years experience as a pro scout. Helped author a 125 page report on the Patriots that became the basis for the Giants game plan when they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Could be a solid replacement for current Director of Pro Scouting Mark Koncz and possibly even serve as a guy Gettleman could groom to be his eventual replacement.

(Giants.com bio)


Joe Collins, Executive Scout

Collins has actually been in the scouting game even longer than Gettleman. He has 40 years of experience doing both college and pro scouting. From 1999-2001 he was Director of Player Personnel for the newly re-formed Cleveland Browns. He could hold the same role here if the Panthers decided to recreate that position (which, in my opinion, would be a good idea).

(Giants.com bio)


Jeremiah Davis / Steve Verderosa, Executive Scouts

Two more guys each having 25 years of scouting experience. Davis was once a coach and a recruiter in the college ranks. Verderosa previously worked in the scouting department of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Should the Panthers decide to part with with current Director of College Scouting Don Gregory, either of these two might be considered as a viable replacement.

(Giants.com bio - Davis)

(Giants.com bio - Verderosa)


To be clear, the Giants would have to give permission for any interviews. Also should be noted that there are plenty of other names to consider from the Giants and other teams where Gettleman has worked. Regardless, these are a few names to start a discussion of what other changes the front office might see.


Outstanding work MrScot.

Damn, if I owned a business I would hire your ass.

BTW, you are Scottish, correct?


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