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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

It's in English. Read the words.


Read the words. Delighted they were not in Greek, English is preferred. Still don't get your problem.

Not only is this not a new idea...it's effective.

Most QBs do not want to take a beating. If the first guy through lays a lick on the QB who is pretending to run, whether he has the ball or not, that read-option becomes ineffective at best and more likely damaging as you beat up the QB. This will not draw personal fouls since the QB is pretending to run as long the hits would be legal to a RB who is carrying. It's a ham-fisted solution but sometimes the simplest solutions are the best. If you make it do more harm than good smart teams will stop running the play (or at least will not run it as their base offense).

The only reason this isn't a sure-fire way to end the offense in the college ranks too is that QBs who run the option at that level are often so much more athletically gifted than the defenders pursuing them that they avoid / shrug off the attempt at a pop. In the NFL there is not that disparity.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

I get where Parcells is coming from. I watched as Navy ran for 300 yards in one half against ECU this past season. I was screaming "Just hit the quarterback!" throughout the half as they killed us with the triple option.

Parcells isn't saying to draw a ton of personal fouls on purpose. He's saying that if the QB is going to pretend to have the ball then you put a lick on him, just like you would the RB if he pretended to have the ball.

But the QB pretend to have the ball for only a split second. The defense hasn't even break its stride yet. Even the most mediocre LT/RT can hold the DE/LB for that long. After the QB gives the ball to the RB and stand to the side you can't hit him. Just like you can't hit the QB on a play-action playe. What does Parcell know that 32 OCs don't? On a pitch play you can hit the QB because the LB is already on top of him.

As I mention, for you to have enough personnels for both the RB and QB you have to bring your corners and safeties up leaving the middle wide open for the TE. And we're not talking NCAA caliber QBs. Cam would make you pay in the middle.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

But the QB pretend to have the ball for only a split second. The defense hasn't even break its stride yet. Even the most mediocre LT/RT can hold the DE/LB for that long. After the QB gives the ball to the RB and stand to the side you can't hit him. Just like you can't hit the QB on a play-action playe. What does Parcell know that 32 OCs don't? On a pitch play you can hit the QB because the LB is already on top of him.

As I mention, for you to have enough personnels for both the RB and QB you have to bring your corners and safeties up leaving the middle wide open for the TE. And we're not talking NCAA caliber QBs. Cam would make you pay in the middle.


one defender usually determines (DE) who gets the ball on a read option. most of the time, that defender is free. if that defender plays the QB all the time, it will dictate that the running back gets the ball. the defender doesn't necessarily have to touch the qb, he just has to "play" him.

the rest of the defense plays the back.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

Really?

My bad! wasn't called for.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

Actually, everyone should listen to The Great Proudiddy.

If you have a solid front 7, key on the QB. Not repeatedly hit him, but you contain him every play. You approach each play as though he is going to run it.

Go back and watch what the Giants game from this year. That is exactly what they did to us. If your front 7 is strong enough, give the RB his carries and live with it.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

He means on read option runs. First guy hits the QB no matter what he thinks the QB will do. This automatically turns the read option into 1 option- RB. If the ends go after the QB no matter what the QB will dish the ball or take a loss/ small gain.

Don't teams go after the QB no matter what anyway? Do they always get to them? Brady and Manning can't run folks. It would be easy to just go after them just before the 10 second expires before they get rid of the ball.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

nice in theory....but that essentially opens up the RB's hole more easily. Also, sets up the D for penalties.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

Go back and watch what the Giants game from this year. That is exactly what they did to us. If your front 7 is strong enough, give the RB his carries and live with it.


you could easily argue our G play at that point was the worst in the NFL (Piggy and a very shakey rookie).

read option has proven to work on good fronts. Bad OL play pretty much squashes anything.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

He means on read option runs. First guy hits the QB no matter what he thinks the QB will do. This automatically turns the read option into 1 option- RB. If the ends go after the QB no matter what the QB will dish the ball or take a loss/ small gain.

Also, isn't the RB half of the read-option? So he'd give the RBs 15yards per play just to touch the QBs? Now I get it. I am not good at understanding the words of geniuses. With those 15 yards per play by the time they put enoug hits on those QBs they'd be 5 TDs up with the back up doing clean up duty.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

you could easily argue our G play at that point was the worst in the NFL (Piggy and a very shakey rookie).

read option has proven to work on good fronts. Bad OL play pretty much squashes anything.

Agreed, but IMO, what makes the read-option effective is the mystery of who is getting/keeping the ball. If you ensure that a dynamic QB can't run if he keeps it, you can live with the RB getting his yards, because they are a runner by design anyway...

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

you could easily argue our G play at that point was the worst in the NFL (Piggy and a very shakey rookie).

read option has proven to work on good fronts. Bad OL play pretty much squashes anything.

yep. the reason that the read option didn't work was because of the OL and chud's narrow usage of it, as in it was easy to defend because 90+% of the time the defenses could be sure we weren't going to be throwing it when we lined up in a read option type formation.

we were as predictable as any davidson offense only without the benefit of a stout OL blocking.

it was just a bad mixture.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

Agreed, but IMO, what makes the read-option effective is the mystery of who is getting/keeping the ball. If you ensure that a dynamic QB can't run if he keeps it, you can live with the RB getting his yards, because they are a runner by design anyway...

well, i would add to that mystery whether or not the QB was going to throw. we just left out that part around here. there has to be an element of play action in it.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

well, i would add to that mystery whether or not the QB was going to throw. we just left out that part around here. there has to be an element of play action in it.

Definitely... I was just referring to the read option itself. If the pass is a threat, you can't commit guys like you would when you know it's a run.

That being said, even if you kept keying on the QB with athletic DEs, you can't go wrong. The key is the QB.

But, yeah, our problem were many early on... Among them, there was absolutely no guesswork when it came to formations, tendencies, blocking, etc.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

Definitely... I was just referring to the read option itself. If the pass is a threat, you can't commit guys like you would when you know it's a run.

That being said, even if you kept keying on the QB with athletic DEs, you can't go wrong. The key is the QB.

But, yeah, our problem were many early on... Among them, there was absolutely no guesswork when it came to formations, tendencies, blocking, etc.

one of the things that kelly did quite often was run play action off of it along with a lot of other more traditional plays.

the more dimension you add to it, the more successful it will be....just like any other running scheme.



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