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If a sure-fire WR1 is not available after our first 2 picks, should we wait? Presuming we go Line with 1 and 2


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#31 carolina-chuck

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:07 AM

Stedman Bailey should be available late in the 2nd.


Im not sure if Bailey is worth a 2nd rd pick. I wouldnt take him over plenty of other players that will/may be in the 2nd.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

I agree. Imo, if we doesn't take a receiver in the first 2 rounds, lets just forget about drafting one at all. These lower projected receivers who'll become projects will keep forcing us to past up on receiver over receiver in the future, bc we think we have someone in the making (Lafell/Gettis). Unless a more proven college receiver like Patton is there in the 4th, I wouldn't take a receiver.

The wide receiver position is starting to resemble our DT spot. We just keep ignoring these two positions in the draft year after year. We have three 3rd rounders (Smitty 2001/Lafell/AE 2010), two 4th rounders (Adams/Murphy), Pilares a 5th, and David Gettis a 6th rounder to round up our receiver corps. Thats terrible man.

Yeah, I am starting to think we are between a rock and a hard place as far as obtaining a WR in the draft. It will be interesting to see what Gett comes up with.

I posted this before, but with Gettleman for the Giants we should make a deal with them for Nicks at WR. Maybe Beason for Nicks.
We no longer have a need for two great MLB players, so he could get cap relief and Beason could go to a contender. Good for him and great for us. thoughts !


I don't see them giving up Nicks that easy for a questionable Beason (though Nicks has his injury issues/history as well). Perhaps some other players or WRs could be in that scenario as well. Interesting thought if all parties would agree. Obviously allows us to address DT with the first pick.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:23 AM

I think TE2 is a bigger need than WR"1" in rounds 1, 2 or 4. I'm not sold on Barnidge as a receiver or blocker. Smitty, Lafell, Gettis, maybe Murphy, Pilares, Adams and Bryant are a solid core, as well as a giant WR with one of our 6th round compensation picks perhaps.

One Offensive Lineman, an interior one, a big DB to compete at FS, and a tight end to back up Olsen are our three biggest needs, I'd say.



That's crazy dude.No one on this roster can replace Smith. If he goes down it will DRASTICALLY hurt this team because A)no one else can draw/beat a double team B) that means passes to Lafell,Olsen, Murphy will be much harder to complete and C) that will kill our running game. Finding a legit number 1 that can learn from, work with, then replace Steve Smith is crucial(ie. Chris Carter/Moss, Rice/Owens. White/Julio).
It is easier to find back up tight ends(seriously), Guards, and yes even DT's(high bust factor in first rd anyway) in FA/later rds than #1 WR or LT's. We have plenty of project and pretty good WR's. We need a legit WR = 1st rd, 2nd(maybe if Gettleman is better in 2nd rd than Hurney), or big FA(no money for at this time)

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

Yeah, I am starting to think we are between a rock and a hard place as far as obtaining a WR in the draft. It will be interesting to see what Gett comes up with.


Yea, I think Hurney started to ignore the receiver position once Jarrett busted out of the league. He didnt want to touch another high receiver prospect higher than the 3rd round. He got scare and took chances on lower rd receivers to try and develop, and depended on veterans (Moose/Murphy/Naanee).

Well, we have a new face at GM and I think he had made it known that he want the guys who can "score tds". Im looking forward to Gettleman taking a WR in the first two rounds.

Just look at it this way. Smitty can still ball, but hes aging and we need youths with talents who can score tds every so often. Let just swap AJ Green's TDs with Smitty's (11-4). 11 touchdowns for Smith and we'd be in the Playoffs while AJ Green is watching the Wild Card rounds from the couch.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

Someone mentioned Gary Barnidge. Just for the record, he's a FA this year and may not be back.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:14 AM



Don't we already have a few 2nd , 3rd and 4th round wr on the roster? If there is not one worth taking in the 1st round then I don't really see the need in wasting another later round pick on one. JMO.


Obviously the chances of finding a #1 in the 3rd are slim. I just meant i rather have Cobi Hamilton (if he falls), Da'Rick Rogers (character concerns), Stedman Bailey over Pilares, Adams, and we don't know what we have in Gettis. And i'm not a fan of bringing Murphy back.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

It doesn't help that we didn't have first round draft picks in 2009 and 2010. Thanks, Hurney.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

My dream WR at the moment is a speedy guy, deep threat, between 6'1" & 6'3", who has a chip on his shoulder because he realizes that when people question his route running they are right to. A guy who is hungry to learn and shut people up... Then Smitty takes him under his wing. I don't care if its 2nd, 4th, or 5th. ( We don't have a third atm.)



That guy is already on the team. But was not used at all last season even after he came off of the PUP list. Gettis is over 6' and is (or at least was the fastest player on the team.


Not directed at you, but this is getting really old how people keep screaming for a WR in the draft. We have and have had other needs that have to be addressed long before a WR is even thought of. CB is one of them, we are most likely going to lose Gamble because of his salary cap. That leaves us with no true CB1. We still need a big strong DT and have needed one since Jenkins left. Not to mention I love gross but hes getting up there in age. I would find his replacement long before SS.

Football is won in the trenches not by the hands or speed of WR. Cant throw the ball to him if Cams on his ass all the time.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

Yea, I think Hurney started to ignore the receiver position once Jarrett busted out of the league. He didnt want to touch another high receiver prospect higher than the 3rd round. He got scare and took chances on lower rd receivers to try and develop, and depended on veterans (Moose/Murphy/Naanee).

Well, we have a new face at GM and I think he had made it known that he want the guys who can "score tds". Im looking forward to Gettleman taking a WR in the first two rounds.

Just look at it this way. Smitty can still ball, but hes aging and we need youths with talents who can score tds every so often. Let just swap AJ Green's TDs with Smitty's (11-4). 11 touchdowns for Smith and we'd be in the Playoffs while AJ Green is watching the Wild Card rounds from the couch.

i was complaining about fox/hurney ignoring WR even before then. aside from that one hit wonder colbert he really hadn't done anything at WR to show he took it seriously.

i mean i guess there was keyshawn, but even then he was essentially a has been with very little left in the tank.

looking at who our WR coach was back then, it's not surprising that we didn't do any developing of WRs at all. i mean we had a guy as WR coach that was old enough to be smitty's great grandfather.

this team doesn't have a history of taking WRs seriously, esp. since the early 2000's. the only time we really paid attention to it was fox's powerless year.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

i was complaining about fox/hurney ignoring WR even before then. aside from that one hit wonder colbert he really hadn't done anything at WR to show he took it seriously.

i mean i guess there was keyshawn, but even then he was essentially a has been with very little left in the tank.

looking at who our WR coach was back then, it's not surprising that we didn't do any developing of WRs at all. i mean we had a guy as WR coach that was old enough to be smitty's great grandfather.

this team doesn't have a history of taking WRs seriously, esp. since the early 2000's. the only time we really paid attention to it was fox's powerless year.


I completely agree!
I hope Gettleman will change this culture.
Being a NYG staff, it seems like they know the the skill players like receivers are important. Drafting/finding guys like Nicks, Cruz, Jernigan, Randle, Manningham, Steve Smith and Barden.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

giants trade nicks for beason... :lolu:


and yes cam needs a sure fire wr in the first or second round. i like patton and twill the most.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:03 PM

i was complaining about fox/hurney ignoring WR even before then. aside from that one hit wonder colbert he really hadn't done anything at WR to show he took it seriously.

i mean i guess there was keyshawn, but even then he was essentially a has been with very little left in the tank.

looking at who our WR coach was back then, it's not surprising that we didn't do any developing of WRs at all. i mean we had a guy as WR coach that was old enough to be smitty's great grandfather.

this team doesn't have a history of taking WRs seriously, esp. since the early 2000's. the only time we really paid attention to it was fox's powerless year.


I disagree with this. Furney drafted 7 wr (Colbert, Jarret, Carter, Robinson, and many more) then they brought in FA wr (Hackett, Keyshawn, Washington, and brought back Moose) . So they tried to fix this it just hasn't worked out.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

I completely agree!
I hope Gettleman will change this culture.
Being a NYG staff, it seems like they know the the skill players like receivers are important. Drafting/finding guys like Nicks, Cruz, Jernigan, Randle, Manningham, Steve Smith and Barden.

barden is only good against us, but still the point is clear. they built the team riding the wave of the increasingly pass heavy NFL.

fox/hurney fought against it. i blame fox as much as hurney for this team's lack of progress in the passing game. that's why it should have been that both were released at the same time. instead hurney became "mr. yessir" and was able to keep the job.

there is so much about the culture that needs to be changed and i hope/believe that gettleman is the guy to do it.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

I honestly (at least from what I've seen right now) do not see a "sure fire number one WR" and I wouldn't take one in the first round (that could change from here to April though).... As for Smitty having "one more beastly year" I think he has 3-4 more solid years he might not be able to put up prime Smitty numbers but he will not digress as fast as you think.

I'd love to get Amari Cooper (Alabama) in two years


I said I believe Smitty has at least one more beastly year. I am not one of these Smitty-is-falling-off-a-cliff people, though we have to be realistic in this situation. 89 is not gonna last forever. Do I think he can still be an integral part of any NFL offense for a few more years? I won't be the one betting against him.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

I like to ask some Question to you WR people.

1. Do you really think there is a Wr in this draft that we can get at 14 or in the 2nd round that day 1 can replace Smith? If not it's a wasted pick.

Unless you're getting a Megatron, AJ Green, A Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Julio Jones. It's not worth drafting a Wr for this team in the 1st round. When we have bigger needs at DT, Oline, and CB.


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