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One step forward, two steps back. The story of the Carolina Panthers.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

I understand the point people are trying to make about our offense early in the season. But for some reason it is a weird pet peeve of mine when people say we ran the "read option" as a base offense. It isn't a type of offense it is a type of play.

It shouldn't annoy me, and I understand what you are trying to say, but for some reason it bugs the poo out of me.

Not really directed at you Ivan and I like the OP and agree with just about everything you said. But about 1,000 people have said this and for some reason (that I can't figure out) it makes me pull my hair out and I have so little to spare. :(


How about. . .we ran the read option a lot more than necessary?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

I understand the point people are trying to make about our offense early in the season. But for some reason it is a weird pet peeve of mine when people say we ran the "read option" as a base offense. It isn't a type of offense it is a type of play.

It shouldn't annoy me, and I understand what you are trying to say, but for some reason it bugs the poo out of me.

Not really directed at you Ivan and I like the OP and agree with just about everything you said. But about 1,000 people have said this and for some reason (that I can't figure out) it makes me pull my hair out and I have so little to spare. :(


Could have fooled me. Every game I viewed, I saw a lot of the cute gimmick option plays. Maybe it was more than it should have. Excessive at times. The Giants game in particular. My god...MY GOD! I was pulling my hairs out in that game seeing that JPP was figuring out everything and yet we STILL went back to that read option.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

Could have fooled me. Every game I viewed, I saw a lot of the cute gimmick option plays. Maybe it was more than it should have. Excessive at times. The Giants game in particular. My god...MY GOD! I was pulling my hairs out in that game seeing that JPP was figuring out everything and yet we STILL went back to that read option.


The Giants had the perfect read option killer in that game: JPP. Having an uber-athletic lineman that can attack the mesh point directly and still be fast enough to recover to either option completely blew that play up. We actually had decent production when we ran it against Matthias Kiwanuka, but JPP wrecked it for us.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:26 AM

Could have fooled me. Every game I viewed, I saw a lot of the cute gimmick option plays. Maybe it was more than it should have. Excessive at times. The Giants game in particular. My god...MY GOD! I was pulling my hairs out in that game seeing that JPP was figuring out everything and yet we STILL went back to that read option.

The Giants had the perfect read option killer in that game: JPP. Having an uber-athletic lineman that can attack the mesh point directly and still be fast enough to recover to either option completely blew that play up. We actually had decent production when we ran it against Matthias Kiwanuka, but JPP wrecked it for us.


The Giants game is always an interesting game for me to look back on. We struggled offensively, there is no doubt about that, however, it also gets overlooked that we had exactly zero three and outs that game, and moved the ball quite well. We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot with turnovers and untimely penalties.

It was just a weird game.

The actual game that I thought the read option plays were completely blown up was the first Tampa game.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

Agree with everything except that promoting Shula and Rodgers is a step back.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

The Giants game is always an interesting game for me to look back on. We struggled offensively, there is no doubt about that, however, it also gets overlooked that we had exactly zero three and outs that game, and moved the ball quite well. We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot with turnovers and untimely penalties.

It was just a weird game.

The actual game that I thought the read option plays were completely blown up was the first Tampa game.


There was also the fact that our defense was getting wrecked as well, turning Ramses Barden and. . .I can't even remember the other guy's name, lol, into one-game megastars. In retrospect I think it's obvious that the whole team was tight and flat for their "moment in the spotlight."

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

Agree with everything except that promoting Shula and Rodgers is a step back.


Totally forgot about Rodgers staying at ST. You're right, that's a step backwards.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

Totally forgot about Rodgers staying at ST. You're right, that's a step backwards.


Our special teams went from abysmal to decent once Rodgers took over. Getting Dave Toub or April would have been stellar, but I'm not unhappy he's the guy.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

Our special teams went from abysmal to decent once Rodgers took over. Getting Dave Toub or April would have been stellar, but I'm not unhappy he's the guy.



As true as that is, going for a trick play on 4th and whatever was stupid. Really really stupid. That play sticks in my mind and makes me cringe. I don't see it as a lateral move like Shula, Rodgers is horrible to me. Toub and April would have been amazing.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:54 AM

As true as that is, going for a trick play on 4th and whatever was stupid. Really really stupid. That play sticks in my mind and makes me cringe. I don't see it as a lateral move like Shula, Rodgers is horrible to me. Toub and April would have been amazing.


If I remember correctly, Nakamura was supposed to read the defense and call off the play if it wasn't in a position to work. But trusting dear old Haruki with that probably wasn't a bright idea either.


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