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#16 teeray

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:07 PM

I wish we would mix the Pistol offense in with our scheme more.

Does anyone know if Shula has experience running the Pistol?


the Shanahans didn't have experience with it either. The great thing about the pistol is you can basically just run a typical NFL offense out of it. It is an easier transition for OC's with NFL experience or have only run pro style offenses their whole career.

I think all of these offenses can work including what we have been doing. My main complaint with our offense is that we need to pick up the pace. Get in and out of the huddle with 20-25 seconds still on the play clock instead of 15-12 seconds like we have been doing. That gives us a chance to adjust or change the play based on what the defense is showing us. These last two years we haven't done that, so if the defense is giving us a look that has our play well defended, we just run it anyway and hope for the best. in order for our offense to work it has to be more flexible at the line of scrimmage.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:07 PM

The Redskins run the Pistol to perfection. I always hated that Chud wouldn't do more with this formation. He'd only get in it like one or two times a game, like it was some type of secret formation that he wanted to keep in his back pocket or some poo.


Fixed/This!

Not sure how it would fit in with the current Panther offense, QB and most importantly new OC in Shula (who probably has enough things to worry about)??

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

get Chris Ault on the phone and give him his consulting fee, and install it. Not that hard.

I like it. I didn't, but after two years of watching DW take a shotgun handoff and get a yard in what was supposed to be a very explosive offense, screw it. Give our backs a chance. Carolina was 2nd most in shotgun leaguewide.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

have to have a competent Oline to run it perfectly...

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

the Shanahans didn't have experience with it either. The great thing about the pistol is you can basically just run a typical NFL offense out of it. It is an easier transition for OC's with NFL experience or have only run pro style offenses their whole career.

I think all of these offenses can work including what we have been doing. My main complaint with our offense is that we need to pick up the pace. Get in and out of the huddle with 20-25 seconds still on the play clock instead of 15-12 seconds like we have been doing. That gives us a chance to adjust or change the play based on what the defense is showing us. These last two years we haven't done that, so if the defense is giving us a look that has our play well defended, we just run it anyway and hope for the best. in order for our offense to work it has to be more flexible at the line of scrimmage.


I'd like to see more of this also

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

Most of these NFL coaches are pretty sharp guys with loads of experience. Incorporating new ideas into their playbook isn't a big deal.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

have to have a competent Oline to run it perfectly...


The right side is the only side to need complete overhaul, and even improving the RG or RT would bring us to competent.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

Most of these NFL coaches are pretty sharp guys with loads of experience. Incorporating new ideas into their playbook isn't a big deal.


Agreed, but that's assuming Shula is "sharp". And he hasn't been an OC or HC for a while.

Hopefully, he will be. However past experiences has shown he's been a not so great play caller. And who's to say what he'll do during a game, especially an important one??

Just look at the 'innovative', celebrated Chud for example, and all the bone head moves/plays he did this past season as an OC and play caller. I get your point though.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

you put newton in the pistol offense, and there are few defenses that are going to be able to deal with him. long term newton > vick, imo.

true. he's a lot more athletic than people think when they look at his cerebral qualities.

kind of the same way i think newton is a better passer and smarter than most people give him credit for. he isn't the one trick pony that many believe. as a passer i really compare him to big ben. i think he's that good.

what newton will need is an offense designed around his talents. mroe than likely it will be something like the pistol offense. newton in the pistol offense would be downright lethal.

the advantage that luck has is that he would be able to fit in any offense and be good.

we'll most likely be changing the offense anyways. at least i hope we do.

the pistol wouldn't be that hard of an offesne to adjust to. much of what we have done already could be done easily out of that formation. you can do pretty much the same things you can with a QB under center, only it gives him the advantage of being three yards back.

i do think that newton has a big (and accurate) arm that is pretty equal to that of ben's. he can sit back and wait or buy time for things to develop downfield and already does a little reading of defenses. he watches the safeties and times his passes based on what they are doing. he's a lot smarter than what people think. i do agree that he may have to sit for a year while luck could probably start right away and do well, but if newton did start right away it wouldn't be the disaster that we have had with clausen. he's got some legs and can get himself ou of trouble. i also disagree with the idea that he wouldn't be able to pull off the type of running he did at auburn in the pros. he's got as much running ability and power as any RB coming out of college.



A little more of this plz:


good for a rookie QB, esp.

imo, the perfect one for cam newton. said it many times...he could be lethal in that.

i would go with the pistol if our selection is cam.


if we get the harbaugh/luck package i would for sure be happy with harbaugh's bastardized Power I/WCO.

got to give delhommey props for this one as well...

And to pre empt the "But that iz a college offence. You cannot run a college offence in proz" silliness.


the only real drawbacks i could see is that he might need a year sitting behind a mentor, but he would be fine without it. another drawback si that you would have to have an offense tailored to his strengths...but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. you put him into the right offense and that guy is going to be as or more lethal than vick is this year. the poerfect fit for him would be the pistol offense. you get the same benefits to the run game as you would in the typical proset offense, but the same advantages to the passing game as you would from the shotgun.

tom brady plays in one now.

i'm not saying that newton should keep playing in a spread, but he should play in a pistol offense. he would be amazing in it and our run game would still be incredible.


doesn't mean we can't come up with crazier schemes.

seriously, you put this guy in the pistol offense with the guys we have now and you will see DCs having migraines all over the league.

we get the right OC and QB coach in here to work with him and build an offense around this guys tools, while polishing on areas that he obviosuly needs to grow in and you will see an offense that will be pretty spectacular. from what i have seen and heard, his work ethic is pretty high up there. that was something that vick never had as a younger player. vick was very limited as to what he would learn because of his laziness. that isn't the case with newton.



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

Agreed, but that's assuming Shula is "sharp". And he hasn't been an OC or HC for a while.

Hopefully, he will be. However past experiences has shown he's been a not so great play caller. And who's to say what he'll do during a game, especially an important one??

Just look at the 'innovative', celebrated Chud for example, and all the bone head moves/plays he did this past season as an OC and play caller. I get your point though.


It is amazing that Shula has stayed employed every single year of his career considering how dumb some of you guys seem to think he is. Apparently all of these coaches are even less "sharp" for hiring him year in and year out, whether it is to be OC or as QB coach.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Nice Ray.

I think you should change your comparison to Brett Favre instead of Big Ben though.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Nice Ray.

I think you should change your comparison to Brett Favre instead of Big Ben though.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Hoge had a good segment on NFL Matchup this morning about how the Falcons shut down the read-option last week with the play of the DE and making sure they held their outside contain. Wilson didn't run the ball once out of the option.

It works, but anything you do in the NFL will get figured out by defenses... they're too smart and too fast. You have to change it up.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

Hoge had a good segment on NFL Matchup this morning about how the Falcons shut down the read-option last week with the play of the DE and making sure they held their outside contain. Wilson didn't run the ball once out of the option.

It works, but anything you do in the NFL will get figured out by defenses... they're too smart and too fast. You have to change it up.


Send a lead blocker to take out the DE and run the QB out anyway.



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

have to have a competent Oline to run it perfectly...

have to have a better OL anyway, but in its essence, the zone read is the same concept whether you're running the inside zone to the RB, outside zone, or any of the option plays.


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