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The league's only black OC makes it to the Super Bowl....

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...but he wont be a head coach in 2013. LMAO. His 3 years in Indy they go to the Super Bowl his 1st year (14-2), wins the division and get bounced in the 1st round his 2nd (10-6). His QB is out the entire season in year 3, and his organization goes in full "tank" mode (2-14). Then he's fired before he's allowed to "inherit" the new franchise face the following year. Dude did not have a job until Cam Cameron was fired in December. Since then Flacco has been tearing it up, the Baltimore O line has played better, and their offense as a whole is making plays and putting up more yards and points per game. Yet most people will still tell you Jim Caldwell sucks and Peyton "choke artist" Manning carried him. The NFL has got to do better man. They are like 40 years behind the rest of the world.
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Let's hire all black everything!

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[quote name='King Taharqa' timestamp='1358778525' post='2108552']
...but he wont be a head coach in 2013. LMAO. His 3 years in Indy they go to the Super Bowl his 1st year (14-2), wins the division and get bounced in the 1st round his 2nd (10-6). His QB is out the entire season in year 3, and his organization goes in full "tank" mode (2-14). Then he's fired before he's allowed to "inherit" the new franchise face the following year. Dude did not have a job until Cam Cameron was fired in December. Since then Flacco has been tearing it up, the Baltimore O line has played better, and their offense as a whole is making plays and putting up more yards and points per game. Yet most people will still tell you Jim Caldwell sucks and Peyton "choke artist" Manning carried him. The NFL has got to do better man. They are like 40 years behind the rest of the world.
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If you were the commish, what would you do?



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I don't get the "NFL is 40 years behind the rest of the world" part.

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Sometimes people are better coordinators than coaches. It is weird that he is the only African American OC though

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[quote name='Jase' timestamp='1358779434' post='2108575']


If you were the commish, what would you do?



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I dont think the commish can do anything. People hire who they want to hire. The league has already tried to implement rules to cut down on the inherent bias of some of these execs and its still not working. A system thats been implemented and nurtured for almost a century takes more than a few years to break. That doesnt mean we as fans have to look the other way or ignore the fact a sport thats almost 80% black makes sure all positions of authority and power are mainly held by whites. Even in 2013.
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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1358780094' post='2108596']
Sometimes people are better coordinators than coaches. It is weird that he is the only African American OC though
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There's only been a handful of black OCs in the history of the game over the course of 80 years. There is a stigma that black people are not in game strategists and dont know offense. You'll notice almost all black head coaches have come from the defensive side of the ball and tend to be conservative in nature. Denny Green is one former black OC who went on to be a head coach and experienced success.

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I'm not sure you have any idea what "the rest of the world" is like if you think the NFL is "40 years behind".
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[quote name='Keith Moons Liver' timestamp='1358782061' post='2108657']
I'm not sure you have any idea what "the rest of the world" is like if you think the NFL is "40 years behind".
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I know in the rest of the world it is not uncommon to see people who arent white holding positions of power and authority. Business owners, decision makers, strategists. These are all foreign concepts to the NFL where they have to put in a rule forcing themselves to interview people for jobs that arent white. Think about that for a second. Its that bad they have to self police themselves and even then they've done a poor job. The concept of african americans having intelligence and being able to grasp strategy and displaying leadership abilities and deal with adversity is fairly new to the sport as well. The NBA and MLB crossed those bridges decades ago. If the nation moved as slow as the NFL, it'd be another 40 years before we saw a black President.
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[quote name='King Taharqa' timestamp='1358782381' post='2108664']

I know in the rest of the world it is not uncommon to see people who arent white holding positions of power and authority. Business owners, decision makers, strategists. These are all foreign concepts to the NFL where they have to put in a rule forcing themselves to interview people for jobs that arent white. Think about that for a second. Its that bad they have to self police themselves and even then they've done a poor job. The concept of african americans having intelligence and being able to grasp strategy and displaying leadership abilities and deal with adversity is fairly new to the sport as well. The NBA and MLB crossed those bridges decades ago. If the nation moved as slow as the NFL, it'd be another 40 years before we saw a black President.
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So by "rest of the world" you mean "america". I guess I shouldn't have expected anything more.

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so if all OCs were black, you wouldn't be saying a thing defending white people would you?
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[quote name='KillerKat' timestamp='1358787198' post='2108789']
so if all OCs were black, you wouldn't be saying a thing defending white people would you?
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instead of dealing with unrealistic hypotheticals, how bout we deal with reality. SELF ACTUALIZATION. I know its a scary thing, but we have to do it. The NFL's history of racial bias towards whites in positions of authority isnt debatable. Thats why things like the "Rooney Rule" exist in the first place. [b]There has never been a point in NFL history where every OC was black, hell there's never been a point when you had more than 1 working at a time.[/b] There have been years upon years where each and every one of them were white. We've just gotten to the point where its acceptable to believe in a black QB in 2013, 5 years after a black President got elected. Its not about "my defense" its about the NFL's problem. None of these would be issues if the NFL's workforce was majority white (a la Hockey), but that is not the case.

If it makes you feel better, here's a white guy that echoes my same sentiment in an article a few weeks ago....
[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--black-offensive-assistants-finding-roadblocks-to-becoming-nfl-head-coaches-054103279.html"]http://sports.yahoo....-054103279.html[/url]

There a white guy said it, so I guess its valid now.
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Well he should be glad that he is going to the Super Bowl regardless of race or color!

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From what some friends at Wake Forest have told me, Jim Caldwell is one of the nicest guys in football. A lot of respect for him there, and all are wishing him well in the Superbowl.

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Peyton Manning did carry Jim Caldwell and the Colts. Much like Peyton Manning carried John Fox and the Broncos this year. Looking at Peyton's history, I don't know how you can argue otherwise.
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The Ravens' system of firing people who aren't pulling their weight works. Lee Evans drops the game winning pass last year in the AFCC? Gone. Billy Cundiff misses the game tying field goal at the same stage? Gone. Cam Cameron's offense sputtering? Gone.

It's a wonder they're now in the Superbowl just one year later. Gee golly how could promoting accountability possibly result in success?
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[quote name='King Taharqa' timestamp='1358778525' post='2108552']
...but he wont be a head coach in 2013. LMAO. His 3 years in Indy they go to the Super Bowl his 1st year (14-2), wins the division and get bounced in the 1st round his 2nd (10-6). His QB is out the entire season in year 3, and his organization goes in full "tank" mode (2-14). Then he's fired before he's allowed to "inherit" the new franchise face the following year. Dude did not have a job until Cam Cameron was fired in December. Since then Flacco has been tearing it up, the Baltimore O line has played better, and their offense as a whole is making plays and putting up more yards and points per game. Yet most people will still tell you Jim Caldwell sucks and Peyton "choke artist" Manning carried him. The NFL has got to do better man. They are like 40 years behind the rest of the world.
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That's mostly because nobody's going to wait over a month to fill in a head coaching position. What Jim Caldwell's contributed after taking a larger role as the OC and helping the offense score their way to at least a SB berth will put him on the radar for head coaching for at least the next few years.

What do you think about Colin K being in the superbowl?

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If every OC was black, people would just say its because it takes smarts to coach defense, yadda yadda yadda

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Why is it always "color this color that"... Damnit people this is why there's still racism in the world because people can not see each other as equals instead we see each other as one color or the other... I'm so dam sick of this ish

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If every OC was black, people would just say its because it takes smarts to coach defense, yadda yadda yadda
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I'm much more offended that every black QB is considered a runner.
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No black brothers have coached against each other in the Super Bowl.
Only white brothers.

This is obviously racism.
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[quote name='rscott94' timestamp='1358830771' post='2109968']
Why is it always "color this color that"... Damnit people this is why there's still racism in the world because people can not see each other as equals instead we see each other as one color or the other... I'm so dam sick of this ish
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[quote name='Kurb' timestamp='1358866044' post='2110214']
No black brothers have coached against each other in the Super Bowl.
Only white brothers.

This is obviously racism.
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Neither of you responded to KT's point that despite the fact that 80% of the league is black there are very few blacks in authority positions. @rscott94, you are advocating the "head in the sand" approach. Pretending that race and skin color doesn't matter is absurd. Race is still an issue because a lot of people are racist. And@ Kurb if you can't see that the NFL owners have a problem hiring qualified black men to positions of power then you are blind as fug. The only point that KT made I don't agree with is the point that the NFL is 40 years behind; they are not. Most of the world (with the exception of the US and Britain) is racist as poo. And the NFL is actually a pretty good mirror of American society as far as this issue is concerned.

Old white men who amassed the large sums of money required to buy/own a team will hire who they want and will not react well to being forced by the NFL to do anything. They are used to doing what they want. Their attitudes are the problem; why should they hire a qualified black man when they are not comfortable with that and (in their opinion) they can hire an equally competent white man to do that job? I'm not sure how the NFL can fix that.
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[quote name='Hoplomachus' timestamp='1358870772' post='2110318']
And @Kurb if you can't see that the NFL owners have a problem hiring qualified black men to positions of power then you are blind as fug. The only point that KT made I don't agree with is the point that the NFL is 40 years behind; they are not. Most of the world (with the exception of the US and Britain) is racist as poo. And the NFL is actually a pretty good mirror of American society as far as this issue is concerned.

Old white men who amassed the large sums of money required to buy/own a team will hire who they want and will not react well to being forced by the NFL to do anything. They are used to doing what they want. Their attitudes are the problem; why should they hire a qualified black man when they are not comfortable with that and (in their opinion) they can hire an equally competent white man to do that job? I'm not sure how the NFL can fix that.
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Should a black man be hired to be a HC over a white man just because he is black? That is basically what KT has been advocating/insinuating on this board for years. Black people should get X because they are black and I disagree with that.

Caldwell was a poor HC in Indy (IMO), but it is worth mentioning that their GM created a poo team in the end. That said I doubt the rest of the NFL has forgotten that.

Bengals
Raiders
Bears
Panthers
Indy
Pittsburg
Have had minority coaches in recent years.
Hell most would say Tomlin was one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL.

2 of the best GM's in the NFL are black. Ravens/Giants.

I support diversity in all business, but not to a fault.

FWIW the NFL now has a owner that is a Minority (Khan in JVille)


KT has long self appointed himself some kind of pioneer of the Black man on these forums, a destroyer of racism. When in fact he promotes the success of one race over another for the sake of color. That in itself is wrong.
It does the world good to call out silly people from time to time.

and when everyone jumps on my back as a closet racist, I will stand behind my exceptionally diverse group of friends and associates and laugh.
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