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Warren Moon, Doug Williams on CBS Sports In Detail On Cam, R. Wilson, RG3, Kaepernick (A Bit) & Legacy


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[quote name='The Huddler' timestamp='1359829251' post='2121746']
Dude your'e putting Ponder ahead of Luck? I'm sorry man but I don't see it at all lol.
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I hear you, but Luck just doesn't impress me. He reminds me of Bradford a little. Not necessarily in style, but in the hype surrounding him. Also, it is really hard for me to put a rookie ahead of a vet, even if the vet is only in his second or 3rd year.
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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1359831960' post='2121768']

I hear you, but Luck just doesn't impress me. He reminds me of Bradford a little. Not necessarily in style, but in the hype surrounding him. Also, it is really hard for me to put a rookie ahead of a vet, even if the vet is only in his second or 3rd year.
[/quote]I just feel Ponder is really really bad lol. just inept

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Folks,
I am a bit surprised by the lack of love for Andrew Luck. That team barely won 2 games before he was drafted. They lost a ton of talent. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year and he, with a poor offensive line and 1 legit receiver (do you know who their RB is? probably not) took them to the dance. He offensive statistics were amazing.

Russell WIlson has a great defense, which gives him more chances and allows the play calling to be more aggressive.

RGIII is very good, but his numbers are a bit inflated because many of his passes were short, safe ones. Still, he is the real deal.

Tannehill will be very good with patience. Whoever said that--right on.

Cam is the same. He is such an incredible athlete, people expect incredible all the time. He needs a RT and RG and for Silatolu to get better. A WR too. What he did with a rookie LG, a backup center, a scrub at RG and a weak RT is amazing. Wait until Gettlemen gets him a line and an option beyond Smitty and Olsen.

Wilson is a good player, but he will get figured out.

Dalton is a decent QB, but he is not great and never will be.

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Luck played poorly all season. The one thing that he did well was fourth quarter comebacks. Granted that counts for a lot. But that doesn't make you a good QB

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wilson is a guy that mosly stays in the pocket to throw...he only had 4 rushing tds.

you act like hes a running qb thats going to get figured out

luck is decent, just wasnt all world better than everyone else....like he was expected to be.

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[quote name='MHS831' timestamp='1359833271' post='2121788']
Folks,
I am a bit surprised by the lack of love for Andrew Luck. That team barely won 2 games before he was drafted. They lost a ton of talent. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year and he, with a poor offensive line and 1 legit receiver (do you know who their RB is? probably not) took them to the dance. He offensive statistics were amazing.

Russell WIlson has a great defense, which gives him more chances and allows the play calling to be more aggressive.

RGIII is very good, but his numbers are a bit inflated because many of his passes were short, safe ones. Still, he is the real deal.

Tannehill will be very good with patience. Whoever said that--right on.

Cam is the same. He is such an incredible athlete, people expect incredible all the time. He needs a RT and RG and for Silatolu to get better. A WR too. What he did with a rookie LG, a backup center, a scrub at RG and a weak RT is amazing. Wait until Gettlemen gets him a line and an option beyond Smitty and Olsen.

Wilson is a good player, but he will get figured out.

Dalton is a decent QB, but he is not great and never will be.
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Luck is very good.

I think some of the reason he doesn't get love was due to the pre-draft hype that made hims sound like a God, but instead you got Cam Newton 2012 (albeit with 11 wins), minus the 750 yards rushing.

I thought at the beginning of the year, Wilson was spoon fed and relied mainly on his defense and running game (as his yardage stats reinforce this). Yeah, you could say that. However, as the year progressed and as his team proceeded into the playoffs, Wilson showed a poise and a mastery of the QB position (particularly with covered receivers or when the play broke down) that the other Rookie and 2yr QB's don't currently possess. Now, does having Marshaun Brooks back there and a great defense help? Sure does; Maybe/probably. But I didn't see Kaepernick or RG3 buy time BTLOS like Wilson did towards the end of the season and during the playoffs, with their great rushing attacks/and or defense.

Now, if you're asking me will Cam, Luck, Tannehill, and maybe Kaepernick be better than Wilson in the art/craft of Quarterbacking a few years from now??...You could be right. The other guys (at least the good ones) have a higher upside, indeed. RG3, I'm not sure about, cause his offense helps him as much as anyone at the moment.

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[quote name='FootballMaestro' timestamp='1359834990' post='2121813']
Luck is very good.

I think some of the reason he doesn't get love, was due to the pre-draft hype that made hims sound like a God, but instead you got Cam Newton 2012 (albeit with 11 wins), minus the 750 yards rushing.

I thought at the beginning of the year, Wilson was spoon fed and relied mainly on his defense and running game (as his yardage stats reinforce this). Yeah, you could say that. However, as the year progressed and as his team proceeded into the playoffs, Wilson showed a poise and a mastery of the QB position (particularly with covered receivers or when the play broke down) that the other Rookie and 2yr QB's don't currently possess. Now, does having Marshaun Brooks back there and a great defense help? Sure does; Maybe/probably. But I didn't see Kaepernick or RG3 buy time BTLOS like Wilson did towards the end of the season and during the playoffs, with their great rushing attacks/and or defense.

Now, if you're asking me, will Cam, Luck, Tannehill, and maybe Kaepernick be better than Wilson in the art/craft of Quarterbacking a few years from now??...You could be right. The other guys (at least the good ones) have a higher upside, indeed.
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Agree for the most part. This is a decent young group that will be fun to watch for 10 years. I hate it for the chiefs, because I see nothing in this draft. I think Smith is the most interesting and has to go to the right system/coach, but Barkley is so beaten down, he could be the best of this bunch.

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[quote name='MHS831' timestamp='1359835732' post='2121826']
Agree for the most part. This is a decent young group that will be fun to watch for 10 years. I hate it for the chiefs, because I see nothing in this draft. I think Smith is the most interesting and has to go to the right system/coach, but Barkley is so beaten down, he could be the best of this bunch.
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how do you feel about tyler bray out tennessee??

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[quote name='The Huddler' timestamp='1359829147' post='2121745']
I'm jealous of Kaepernick... He wouldn't seem nearly as good if it weren't for the team. I bet I could go out there and run for 20 yards untouched with that oline. ..and that's saying something. He is not nearly as good as he is made out to be...

And look at his arms. The dude looks like a thug out there.
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Funny how everyone was/is using Tebow's four season wins and backed into the play-offs as proof that he should be a starter but folks want to deminish Colin's accomplishments because he didn't start a season...GTFO.

So tired of the selective BS feed to us by our media.

Let's be honest, the qb class of 2011 is the best of the young class so far.

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[quote name='BigSyke' timestamp='1359835847' post='2121828']
how do you feel about tyler bray out tennessee??
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I think he is underrated. He had some great receivers, but he has some tools. I cannot figure out why he is not rated higher. What have you heard?

Will KC take a QB with the first pick? I would trade down, but I do not think anyone wants the pick.

I think Barkley was overrated, but now i think he is underrated. I do not see him getting past Buffalo.

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[quote name='MHS831' timestamp='1359860903' post='2122403']
I think he is underrated. He had some great receivers, but he has some tools. I cannot figure out why he is not rated higher. What have you heard?

Will KC take a QB with the first pick? I would trade down, but I do not think anyone wants the pick.

I think Barkley was overrated, but now i think he is underrated. I do not see him getting past Buffalo.
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yeah most have bray around 3-4 rounds. same with matt. geno is the only one stil in the top 25.

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[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]Only Cam and Kap and maybe Luck. I believe are good enough to be that "New Breed" QBs. [/color][/font]
[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]Wilson and RGIII are more of the Tarkenton type QB. The other 7 are just talented young QB.[/color][/font]
[b]1. Cam [/b]I think is an underrated pocket Passer. When he started using the checkdowns he became a highly effective in all aspects. His Size and Wheels IMO puts him above Kapernick
[b]2. Kapernick[/b] was one of those players I would love to have seen up pick up to grow along with Newton. He was a steal for SF. He like Cam can do it all. IMO the closest player to Cam
[b]3. Wilson [/b]is heady and a good leader. Also would have been my OROY. The guy makes it happen. Like RGIII he is in great danger when he runs. If he ever gets blind sided from a closing LB he is going to get lit up. I like his game and if he was as big as Cam, he would be #1.
[b]4. RGIII.[/b] A fantastic leader and can make things happen. Too brittle to be a threat running the football. He could have had his career ruined by Shanahan. Same with Wilson. Size of Cam he would be as good if not better.
[b]5. Dalton [/b]is a benefactor of a good defense and a top notch WR in Green. Mobile but not a real threat to put 50 ypg rushing.
[b]6. Tannehill [/b] This guy is going to be a tough QB when they give him some players to go with him. Mobile like Dalton but not dangerous.
[b]7. Luck[/b] could swing either way. He could be the next greatest thing or a notch above daddy Oliver Luck. He clearly has a winning IT factor about him but he also can and will make some game altering decisions. He is about the most Hyped player in recent years. They were ranting and raving about him before the 2011 College football season was over. I am ecstatic that he chose to stay at Stanford. No second guessing about our pick.
[b]8. Locker [/b]has the tool and like Luck he could become something good or turn into another R. Leaf.
[b]9 Ponder [/b]needs some WR help. Once Harvin went down, He had his moments but I am not sold one way or the other. It didn't hurt to have A. Peterson.
[b]10. Weeden[/b] could flourish with Chudinski. Has the tools but a 26yr old rookie? I think he could be the type of player that could hold the fort down until Cleveland gets a QB for the future.
[b]11. Gabbert [/b]needs some help on the offensive side of the ball. Not just WR but offensive line to determine whether he will ever get ahead. He kind of reminds me of David Carr when he started with Houston.
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