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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

Gettleman has seen what Dwill and Jstew could do together. They've ran successfully on the Giants in their careers. He also knows our weak and injured our offensive line was. Also the Giants have always tried to be real deep at the RB position.

This is a good move for our Panthers. Besides Jstew is generally hurt a couple of games out of the year, and Tolbert's great and all, but he can't fill those shoes.

giants didn't have nearly that kind of money and didnt invest nearly as much resources in getting and keeping RBs.

where they focused their efforts was in making sure WR was stocked. RBs were considered expendable and easily replaceable.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

I don't see where or how is it that we're keeping Williams. If it's just because Gettleman said, "I don't see why not." That's not enough to actually believe williams will stay here.

Had he said. "Yes, there are no plans to cut Williams." Then I would believe it. This sounds more like he's putting the ball on Williams court. I'm expecting a restructure.

Keep in mind that he also said that he would do what he has to do.

exactly. pure speculation on behalf of person with this article.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

I don't anything is definite, I'm betting its restructure or cut

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

exactly. pure speculation on behalf of person with this article.


Agreed.


“Can we keep both of them? Again, decisions have to be made. I don't see why not.”

Full quote.


No where so I read a solidified answer to the question. This could be interpreted in either side of the argument.

I'm leaning more to the side of, "Restructure or be cut." The decision that have to be made aren't necessarily for the benefit of Williams. Just saying.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

Agreed.


“Can we keep both of them? Again, decisions have to be made. I don't see why not.”

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No where so I read a solidified answer to the question. This could be interpreted in either side of the argument.

I'm leaning more to the side of, "Restructure or be cut." The decision that have to be made aren't necessarily for the benefit of Williams. Just saying.

exactly. pure speculation on behalf of person with this article.


He credits a source close to the situation with this information. Not deriving this article from that one quote by Gettleman.

Now, how credible the source is, that I have no idea. But it isn't speculation, but it could be purposely false info to try and generate a trade market for Williams or something.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

He credits a source close to the situation with this information. Not deriving this article from that one quote by Gettleman.

Now, how credible the source is, that I have no idea. But it isn't speculation, but it could be purposely false info to try and generate a trade market for Williams or something.


Duly noted..

True as that may be Teeray, it's Joe Freaking Person we're talking about here. He's behind on a lot of things and never breaks out news about the team. Heck other beat writers from other teams have broken stories about the Panthers more often than Joe has ever done.

Heck we have some huddlers with better connections or inside sources than Person.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

I don't see where or how is it that we're keeping Williams. If it's just because Gettleman said, "I don't see why not." That's not enough to actually believe williams will stay here.

Had he said. "Yes, there are no plans to cut Williams." Then I would believe it. This sounds more like he's putting the ball on Williams court. I'm expecting a restructure.

Keep in mind that he also said that he would do what he has to do.


Exactly, means he could tell Williams we would love for you to stay....but we rip up that deal or you must go.

Giants also have told RBs to kick rocks when it comes to paying them

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

giants didn't have nearly that kind of money and didnt invest nearly as much resources in getting and keeping RBs.

where they focused their efforts was in making sure WR was stocked. RBs were considered expendable and easily replaceable.


Yes they do. They franchised tagged Brandon Jacobs and gave him a new contract when they already had Bradshaw. They also gave Bradshaw a new contract and drafted Wilson. They are both not on the team now because of cap and injury issues But the point is they gave them new contracts for production just like we did and drafted another guy.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:50 PM

Sheesh what a huge stretch that article uses to back this claim

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

Duly noted..

True as that may be Teeray, it's Joe Freaking Person we're talking about here. He's behind on a lot of things and never breaks out news about the team. Heck other beat writers from other teams have broken stories about the Panthers more often than Joe has ever done.

Heck we have some huddlers with better connections or inside sources than Person.


Touche.

That is why I didn't put up much of a fight over the info. Just noting that he wasn't extrapolating from a quote by Gettleman in a press conference.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:28 PM

Cutting him now serves no purpose.....cutting him after June 1 saves us some money but we lose his services.I think Gettlemen knows when the time will be right but for now until march 12th DWILL will stay.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

B creates 4.6 million dead money in 14, thats 800k more than we are saving in 13. So have the cap room now and fug ourselves in the future is what you wanna do.

Pay him 9.6 million over the next 2 years(4.8 million per year in 13 and 14) to never play another down for us

If we are going the June 1st route to save money then its a million times better to do it next year.


The option I prefer
If we cut him in 14 we save 6 million in 14 and 7 million in 15. Thats 21 million in savings . 11.5 million per year savings in 2 years


The option you prefer
If we cut him now we save 3.8 million in 13 and 4.6 million in 14 and 10.2 million in 15 thats 18.6 million savings over 3 years. 6.2 million per year savings over 3 years

tl; dr save 21 million in cap hits thru 15 and get to keep him for 13. or save 18.6 million in cap hits through 2015 and he never plays another down.


These numbers are not correct.

Cut him post June 1 this year and we save 5.0 this year, 2.8 next year, and 10.2 in year 3, for a total of 18 million, or an average of 6 a year.

Cut him pre June 1 next year and we save 0 this year, his cap hit in year 2 is 400,000 higher than currently scheduled, and 10.2 in year 3, for a total savings of 9.8 million, or an average of 3.3 million a year.

Cut him post June 1 next year and we save 0 this year, 6 million next year and 7 million in year 3, for a total of 13.0 million, or an average of 4.3 million a year.

The worst option is the one you are advocating. Either cut him post June 1 this year or cut him post June 1 next year. The greatest cap savings are to cut him post June 1 this year.