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#91 Chimera

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:12 AM

Meh, I think verbal irony would, by definition, be more on the sarcastic side of things.

My issue wasn't with you defending anyone. I don't care if KT is racist. I don't care if you are racist. I don't care if Kurb, biscuit or Jerry Richardson are racists. I neither know nor care If they want to limit their time on earth to petty hate and miss out on wonderful people - let them.

My issue was the statement "racial stereotypes are the definition of racism"

You used it multiple times in that thread. You used it here (which is why I brought it up here). Now you're saying it was to turn the tables? Come on man. I believe that about as much as I believe Jerry Richardson would never draft Cam Newton.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:20 AM

you seem to be confused about when i was being sarcastic and when i was being serious

hint: you have it backwards


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:22 AM

plus Jerry Richardson is totally a racist

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:40 AM

So acts are less racist than words and racists comments only count when used towards minorities.

Sad...


yeah if you live in the fantasy world where privilege isn't a real thing then yeah i guess charging a white guy a quarter for his refill is way worse than saying a bunch of racist bullshit about an institutionally oppressed minority then citing dave chappelle as proof that you're not actually a racist sack of poo, thus normalizing racism and perpetuating a society that rewards those who perpetuate such stupid poo

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:47 AM

racism:

We went there once with a black friend of ours and he wasn't charged for a refill. My room mate and I were charged for each and every time we wanted our solo cup of sweet tea refilled.


not racism:

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http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

"Mandingo *****"

This stereotypical concept was invented by white slave owners who promoted the notion that male African slaves were animalistic and bestial in nature asserting, for example, that in "Negroes all the passions, emotions, and ambitions, are almost wholly subservient to the sexual instinct. . . ." and "this construction of the oversexed black male parlayed perfectly into notions of black bestiality and primitivism."





anyway can someone explain why racial slurs are banned (well, allegedly), but racial stereotypes are ok? because based on the tinderbox definition of racism, slurs aren't actually racist

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:48 AM

yeah if you live in the fantasy world where privilege isn't a real thing then yeah i guess charging a white guy a quarter for his refill is way worse than saying a bunch of racist bullshit about an institutionally oppressed minority then citing dave chappelle as proof that you're not actually a racist sack of poo, thus normalizing racism and perpetuating a society that rewards those who perpetuate such stupid poo


No wonder you are so mad about Racism.
It threatens who you are.
This is good to.come out. You can realize you are the racist person and work on improving yourself.

#97 PhillyB

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

GS the false premise you're arguing from here is that everyone offended by the refill scenario isn't also offended by stuff like the imagery you just posted.

I understand fully that there are still plenty of idiot assholes with regressive views on race, and I agree that "black people can be racist too" is generally a stupid argument (not because it's not true but because it's generally used indignantly to defend whiteness as though whiteness needs defending) but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this witch hunt. Agreeing that the refill episode, if true, is an asshole racist thing and also acknowledging the demographics of privilege historically and contemporarily as they relate to socio-economic status are not mutually exclusive. I think part of the problem you're running into is the fact that the casual observer takes your marginalizing of the refill scenario (and it is indeed marginal compared to the latter problem) to mean that you're inconsistently applying your accusation of racism; that is, giving one act of racism a pass because of some utilitarian construct wherein the act is overshadowed by greater acts of racism that may spawn or affect the smaller one.

Correct me if ive misread you, but I think clarifying this would help keep this discussion meaningful. Right now it's fuging retarded.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

if more people posted things they do on a daily basis to refute and drive down racism, we won't get lost in the weeds of cleverness etc.

posting charts and graphs and abstracts from whichever university you can find is well and good. but actually facing the issue head on that seems to be such a major deal, accomplishes infinitely more.

there is this weird thought process here in the huddle on this topic. those that keep saying racism lives acts like anyone with just the slightest dif of opinion is either also a racist or a caveman. then they are shocked at the responses and confusion it illicits.

does racism continue? yes. on the same scale as before? no. is it more subtle now? sure. are there internment camps for minorities? no. is the playing field totally even? no and proly depends on who you ask and what part of the country they live in.

does posting on message boards incessantly about racial issues make you a champion for racial harmony? umm. that would be no.

like they teach people who deal with addicts. don't believe what the addict tells you, believe what they do.

all im going to say here to sum this up for me. im willing to bet the very people that are painted into a corner as being a bigot or some swamp creature, do more with those that are unlike themselves, than the academic finger pointers who hear their professor give a lecture or they watch some indie film on a racial subject and take it to the mountain top as the definitive gospel of how it really goes. and no philly. i do NOT put you in that category.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

GS the false premise you're arguing from here is that everyone offended by the refill scenario isn't also offended by stuff like the imagery you just posted.

I understand fully that there are still plenty of idiot assholes with regressive views on race, and I agree that "black people can be racist too" is generally a stupid argument (not because it's not true but because it's generally used indignantly to defend whiteness as though whiteness needs defending) but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this witch hunt. Agreeing that the refill episode, if true, is an asshole racist thing and also acknowledging the demographics of privilege historically and contemporarily as they relate to socio-economic status are not mutually exclusive. I think part of the problem you're running into is the fact that the casual observer takes your marginalizing of the refill scenario (and it is indeed marginal compared to the latter problem) to mean that you're inconsistently applying your accusation of racism; that is, giving one act of racism a pass because of some utilitarian construct wherein the act is overshadowed by greater acts of racism that may spawn or affect the smaller one.

Correct me if ive misread you, but I think clarifying this would help keep this discussion meaningful. Right now it's fuging retarded.


You put to much faith in the child.

#100 PhillyB

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:47 PM

all im going to say here to sum this up for me. im willing to bet the very people that are painted into a corner as being a bigot or some swamp creature, do more with those that are unlike themselves, than the academic finger pointers who hear their professor give a lecture or they watch some indie film on a racial subject and take it to the mountain top as the definitive gospel of how it really goes. and no philly. i do NOT put you in that category.


i would suggest that a healthy balance of both is necessary. the internet is a good medium for the expression and collision of ideas and often times it's the lab in which we hammer out worldviews and find ourselves in a place to articulate them, modify them, etc. i don't think it's prudent to minimalize the kind of effect such discourse can have on the individual's paradigm, especially in a culture affected by increasing globalization and the rising-up of generations used to forming opinions and knowledge bases that ground them through these sorts of mediums.

moreover, this globalization combined with technology has made it so the very real-world difference-making you speak of is inextricably tied, i think, into discussions of this sort. people spend time on the internet now, and if you're trying to raise global awareness, spread information, or alter viewpoints accordingly, i think there's a case to be made that engaging in dialogue on the internet is one of the most effective ways to do it.

of course this means not treating people like dogshit just because the experiences that shaped you gave you an advantage over the unfortunate individuals caught in inherited cultures of discrimination and regressive worldviews, but you know whatever


You put to much faith in the child.


i am quite convinced GS is far from a racist. however,

of course this means not treating people like dogshit just because the experiences that shaped you gave you an advantage over the unfortunate individuals caught in inherited cultures of discrimination and regressive worldviews, but you know whatever




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