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To all white Christians and Jews

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So basically you want to know why white people have no problem making Jesus white, but you don't understand why Messianic Jews came into being in the first place.

The simple answer is - to have more members in your clique. For both cases.

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[quote]Remember GOD knows your heart and I will not bash you for your beliefs.[/quote]

but somehow

[quote]The discussion on the validity of religion or the existence of a creator is a conversation for another post.[/quote]

Should I go make a thread about fantasy literature, like the Hobbit, and ask people why they are okay with all the characters being white?

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[quote name='Bronn' timestamp='1362288272' post='2149996']
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Should I go make a thread about fantasy literature, like the Hobbit, and ask people why they are okay with all the characters being white?
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Reread the rest of that particular post, if you dont believe you really have nothing to contribute.

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1362288457' post='2149999']
Reread the rest of that particular post, if you dont believe you really have nothing to contribute.
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except that this is a message board on the internet where I can call out bullshit ideas when I see them...

you're obviously trolling for racism or something... nobody really gives a poo what color Jesus or any other "biblical" figure was because it isn't important in their interpretation of their personal dogma... IF they act like they do and argue for or against a particular case of someone's race... then they have underlying racism issues...

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Before this goes to far off topic, I want to clarify my point because I probably wasnt clear. I dont want to single out any specific figure in the Bible. I merely want to address the commonality to portray them [i]all[/i] innaccurately. The teachings are obviously sacred to a large number of people (myself included) and I want to hear (read) how people feel about this fact. We get so much from this group of people and this area of the world, not just 3 of the worlds most predominate religions but also the basis for modern astronomy, astrology, math and science. For the non religious, not mentioning any names (Bronn :) ) the founding fathers of this nation held them in [i]very[/i] high esteem along with Freemasons and other secret and fraternal organizations. It seems like a [b]GRAVE[/b] injustice to not remember them as they were. Not to dance around the issue, it would seem that the faces were changed because they had a problem with the originals.

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i think the point of this post is that we tend to analyze biblical texts in the framework of our own time and culture rather than in the context of its production. understanding jesus as a nordic hottie is a microcosm of one of the biggest problems facing biblical interpretation, and that's the inability to separate the frameworks through which the bible is interpreted. this is why biblical literalism is so dangerous

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[quote name='Bronn' timestamp='1362288735' post='2150004']

except that this is a message board on the internet where I can call out bullshit ideas when I see them...
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Im confused about what is the bullshit idea...

[quote name='Bronn' timestamp='1362288735' post='2150004']
you're obviously trolling for racism or something... nobody really gives a poo what color Jesus or any other "biblical" figure was because it isn't important in their interpretation of their personal dogma... IF they act like they do and argue for or against a particular case of someone's race... then they have underlying racism issues...
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Is it possible that I have underlying race issues, I guess anything is possible however I have been in an interracial marriage for 6 years with 2 children. But I will admit that American racial dynamics are interesting to me and I do highlight them when I can. Denial or ignoring is not good way to resolve an issue and America definitely still has issues. They may be different than 150, 100, or even 50 years ago but they are issues none the less. I am sure some whites in America are feeling discriminated against or they may feel that they are being guilt tripped with slavery or even forcefed racial sensitivity. I got all that. I think that it is just another part of the complexity of race relations in America. That is why it is important to be as accurate as possible when describing history. It helps to create a balance.

But once again this was not the purpose of my OP. I dont mind talking about it with you, unless all you are looking for is someone to throw insults at, just not here.

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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1362289213' post='2150009']
i think the point of this post is that we tend to analyze biblical texts in the framework of our own time and culture rather than in the context of its production. understanding jesus as a nordic hottie is a microcosm of one of the biggest problems facing biblical interpretation, and that's the inability to separate the frameworks through which the bible is interpreted. this is why biblical literalism is so dangerous
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That is very close to the direction I was hoping to go. However, I also wonder how the dynamics of modern Judao-Christian practices would change if the faces became more historically accurate. Prior to just a few hundred years ago you would not have seen such inaccuracies in their portrayal, for example a coin from the time of the Roman Emperor Justinian shows both a straight haired Roman and a curly haired Jesus.

I believe the innaccurate portrayal has a deep psychological impact on both believers and non believers as evidenced by the lack of willingness to change it.

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1362287959' post='2149992']
Are you being serious?
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[color=#000000][font=Arial, sans-serif][size=3]Yeah, and his last name is Hong, Jesus Hong. He said he doesn't know where everyone got Christ.[/size][/font][/color]

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1362289076' post='2150008']
astrology
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Not even going to touch the Founding Fathers comment, that you lumped astrology in with ACTUAL science renders your whole point invalid.

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Okay, let's play.

Let's go one step further and talk about the DNA that Jesus had? Jewish? How so? Asian, Black, White?

Why? Does a "surrogate" mother child look like her?

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A lot of Christians translate scripture to their interpretation so they can use it the way they want.

Just like how all of the pictures of Jesus, Noah, Moses, Kane, Abel, and anyone else that lived in the ancient Middle East is portrayed as white.

Iirc Jesus began to be portrayed as white when the Catholic Church was showing off the image to other Romans as well as Vikings that they wanted to testify to.

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