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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:51 PM

Also, what has Pilares done for everyone to lose faith in him?


He's done nothing to cause everyone to lose faith in him.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:56 PM

Also, what has Pilares done for everyone to lose faith in him?


Well for me...when I saw him trying to start a fight at montford against a skinny 150 lb frat kid

I'd rather have real pros on the team

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:06 PM

Also, what has Pilares done for everyone to lose faith in him?


I think the better question is what makes you have faith in a reciever who's going into his third year in the league and has 42 yards and 1 TD total? And the majority of that is off one catch?

What has burned this franchise for years is filling the roster with late round guys that we hope one day develop and never do(see: every WR we've drafted now named Lafell/Smith, every cornerback convert we drafted and moved to safety etc etc).

Hixon and Barden have both actually produced in the NFL, we can't keep a WR corps with the Armanti Edwards and Pilares of the world, who are average at best KR, and who's career stats combined wihth 5 years combined in the league are less then Barden's one game against us.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

Why would we go after two unproven guys with no ties to us when we have steady development and improvement out of lafell who we drafted? Change for the sake of change? That always works.


Who said anything about ditching on LaFell? We are looking for cheap guys who can fill out the rest of our receiving corps (3rd, 4th and 5th on the depth chart). Are we not sick of guys like Murphy and Naanee losing us games because they can't catch easy passes?

Look at the recent teams that have been in the superbowl or teams that are year to year contenders. For the most part we aren't looking at teams with top tier WR tandems (like the Falcons), most of them have a well rounded squad of reliable receivers with differing skill sets.

Examples:
New England
New Orleans
Green Bay
Indianapolis (Post Marvin Harrison)
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Houston
San Francisco

Exceptions:
New York Giants (they did acquire Cruz risk-free and Eli has shown even with Cruz and Nicks out he can be equally productive)

Indianapolis (With Marvin Harrison)
Arizona

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

No... just no...

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

We have a star receiver that produces.

What makes you think these guys aren't better than Louis Murphy and company? You do know Hixon and Barden have been buried in a stellar Giants WR receiving corps.


This sounds like Marty Hurney. Always looking for wide receivers in the bargain bin instead of spending for real talent.

Our star receiver is 33 years old, and we have inadequate depth who could never be a #1 WR on any roster anywhere.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:23 PM

Do not like this speculation at all.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:24 PM

I think the better question is what makes you have faith in a reciever who's going into his third year in the league and has 42 yards and 1 TD total? And the majority of that is off one catch?

What has burned this franchise for years is filling the roster with late round guys that we hope one day develop and never do(see: every WR we've drafted now named Lafell/Smith, every cornerback convert we drafted and moved to safety etc etc).

Hixon and Barden have both actually produced in the NFL, we can't keep a WR corps with the Armanti Edwards and Pilares of the world, who are average at best KR, and who's career stats combined wihth 5 years combined in the league are less then Barden's one game against us.


Fair enough Pilares' stats suck but I thought he looked decent when given opportunities (I'm including preseason). I'm just sayin I would have liked to see him get a chance to prove himself before being scrapped. And as far as Barden goes I would be wary to judge him on his game against us (which I'm sure everyone is). Lets not forget how good Brady Quinn looked against us.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:36 PM

This sounds like Marty Hurney. Always looking for wide receivers in the bargain bin instead of spending for real talent.

Our star receiver is 33 years old, and we have inadequate depth who could never be a #1 WR on any roster anywhere.


Well GB, NE and Pitt all seem to be a bit hesitant to drop 1/10 of their salary cap on a single receiver. There is a lot of blame we can place on hurney, especially when it comes to overpaying players, but I don't think its fair to put this on his shoulders when he was in fact following a model that was successful for those organizations.

I also think you made that statement without thinking through the entirety of Hurney's time here. We had a lethal combo between Smith and Moose at one point. We brought in Keyshawn Johnson and got production out of him. We got DJ Hackett who was considered a high ceiling player when we obtained him. We spent 2nd round picks on Keary Colbert and Dwayne Jarret. We also brought Moose back and he was fairly productive.

Just because we weren't successful at hitting on a good solution for WR #2 does not mean we didn't try.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

Fair enough Pilares' stats suck but I thought he looked decent when given opportunities (I'm including preseason). I'm just sayin I would have liked to see him get a chance to prove himself before being scrapped. And as far as Barden goes I would be wary to judge him on his game against us (which I'm sure everyone is). Lets not forget how good Brady Quinn looked against us.


Lets also not forget how the Chiefs were so inspired by the death of their crazy person that they magically managed to play a perfectly clean game with ZERO penalties aside from a late delay of game penalty.

Its not like their oline were literally tackling CJ and hardy to the ground or anything to give quinn a fortnight to get the ball out.


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