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#71 panthers55

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

Cap reasons are ONE reason they are dumping him. They have proven they part with their stars for more than just that....again, don't get too caught up in one player you miss the big picture point. There are many more players to point to.

Both models are better than our model....and until Gettlemen proves different I will asume we follow Richardson's model. Until Gettlemen goes to work he basically hasn't done anything to date Hurney wouldn't of done.


If your logic is that Hurney followed Richardson's model therefore Gettleman will follow the same model I think you are missing the fact that there were a lot of things that Hurney did well. He drafted well in the first round and again in lower rounds. He was very good at finding guys in free agency to fill spots on the roster when injuries hit. The thing he did was not just make big contracts but guarantee too much money. Sure that is a problem that is biting us in the butt and was the main reason he was fired. But I give the benefit of the doubt to the new GM until he give reason to doubt him taking a half full approach. You are obviously a half empty kind of guy and that is fine as well. I just don't choose to be around people like that too often as I find their negativity is contagious. I deal with it enough in my career to not choose it in my free time.

We will see how he handles things. I think he will be fine and you are more cynical. Both are legitimate approaches.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:50 PM

2-3 years from now Newton will be nearing his physical prime. That doesn't suggest to be a time period for him to become a one dimensional QB.

Panthers have never been a hand it off to your RB and smash the ball team one down of DeAngelo's new deal. We paid our older 1st round RB a silly deal after trashing our old identity....

Lorenzo Neal averaged 2 yards carry and 5 per reception. He was a best of a FB. He was a beast of a lead blocker. Tolbert isn't that. He averages 4 per carry and 9 per reception....and is at his best as a 3rd down RB. He is a FB in name who can spot lot in some FB roles


Didn't suggest he become one dimensional. I am suggesting he won't be nearly as much multi-dimensional a couple years down the road.

Panthers signed Stephen Davis alongside DeFoster to play smashmouth football all the way to the Super Bowl 10 years ago- they were a run-first team then. But that was a different era in the game and has no place in this conversation.

Odd you should mention the Panthers not being a run-first team, which they were as I pointed out above, then go on about Mike Tolbert. Tell me Mike Tolbert isn't used to soften a defense to open the passing game- the entire premise of smashmouth, run-first football.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

CRA is right, but again you have fanboys overrating Dwill....


I've reached my negative voting limit for the day, just so you know.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:18 PM

Odd you should mention the Panthers not being a run-first team, which they were as I pointed out above, then go on about Mike Tolbert. Tell me Mike Tolbert isn't used to soften a defense to open the passing game- the entire premise of smashmouth, run-first football.

They have been a Newton lead team.....not a smash mouth run first team (which traditionally implies running your RBs).

Our RBs/FBs ran the ball 323 times last year....Cam passed it 485 times.
- 2011 our RBs/FBs had less at 307 carries and Cam passed it 517 times.
<and Carolina had the lead in the 2nd half of most of those losses>

Tolbert has been underutilized....hardly ever receiving carries inbetween the 20s. He had a mere 54 total carries last year....bulk was redzone. Then again, it is impossible to properly utilize any of our RBs bc there isn't the opportunity bc of so many

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:23 PM

I've reached my negative voting limit for the day, just so you know.


As if I give a poo, go fug off.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:41 PM

As if I give a poo, go fug off.


im gonna guess you want to draft a WR in the first round?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:46 PM

They have been a Newton lead team.....not a smash mouth run first team (which traditionally implies running your RBs).

Our RBs/FBs ran the ball 323 times last year....Cam passed it 485 times.
- 2011 our RBs/FBs had less at 307 carries and Cam passed it 517 times.
<and Carolina had the lead in the 2nd half of most of those losses>

Tolbert has been underutilized....hardly ever receiving carries inbetween the 20s. He had a mere 54 total carries last year....bulk was redzone. Then again, it is impossible to properly utilize any of our RBs bc there isn't the opportunity bc of so many


Dude, the operative word- "were."

The Panthers were a run-first, smashmouth football team when they signed Stephen Davis.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

im gonna guess you want to draft a WR in the first round?

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