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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1363180849' post='2159892']
I do believe Gettleman is somewhat of a hollow suit. There is a reason young up and comers were not beating down the door (or really interviewed)...I mean we already have a franchise QB. Jerry (to me) wanted a yes man and anyone with youth and huge potential would want control to do things the [i]their [/i]way.

I would love to be proven wrong ala Luke Kuechly
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Well, if that's the way you feel then there really is no point is continuing the discussion. There's absolutely no way to prove that you're right. It actually runs contradictory to the most logical answer - that every front office position is allowed to do their respective jobs. If JR wanted a hollow suit then why not just do the job himself. It's not like he needs a GM to help with the cap, as GM"s have staff to help them with the cap already. It just doesn't seem like sound reasoning, and more just a front office conspiracy that you've concocted in order to shift blame of our recent ineptitude from team management onto the owner, because that's what you want to do.

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[quote name='csx' timestamp='1363180949' post='2159895']
Shouldn't you ban yourself for such a stupid thread?
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Do as I say not as I do

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1363180944' post='2159894']
Let me reprase it...

I have a hard time believing that someone who is so hands on in every league affair would turn around and be a hands off owner.
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Jerry is hands on in what he knows -business and collective bargaining negotiations. It makes sense for him to be very involved in those sort of league wide interactions. Those types of scenarios are completely different from player personnel management, hence why the argument is retarded.

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I honestly don't know what to think about Gettleman, don't know enough about him. I think at this point he's pretty handicapped by the contract situations that Hurney left behind. I don't think we'll have a really good idea of what Gettleman is about until maybe season after next, once he's had a chance to clear up some of Hurney's cap/contract stuff and have 2 drafts under his belt.

Of course, if we suck again next season and they fire Rivera, that will just prolong not only our suffering, but any real conclusion on what Gettleman is doing because it'll still be "well maybe it's the fault of coaching".

I guess we'll get a glimpse now of how he handles FA and this draft of what he's about.

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1363181068' post='2159897']
. It just doesn't seem like sound reasoning, and more just a front office conspiracy that you've concocted in order to shift blame of our recent ineptitude from team management onto the owner, because that's what you want to do.
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This is probably more accurate than inaccurate.

I do believe that a team's(you can sub business's here) success is a direct reflection of the quality of ownership. If you think that is an inaccurate statement then the conversation is over.

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1363181527' post='2159909']
This is probably more accurate than inaccurate.

I do believe that a team's(you can sub business's here) success is a direct reflection of the quality of ownership. If you think that is an inaccurate statement then the conversation is over.
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And my point is that you can't prove that JR is a bad owner. So long as a team has a true front office architecture in place, which we do, the only job of the owner to sign the fuging paychecks. So long as JR gives Gettleman the money to operate and he looks after the peripheral health of the franchise - IE stadium negotiations with the local and state govs, league wide CBA negotiations etc - there is absolutely no reason to call him a bad owner. At this point, the only proof of any bad ownership is that he arguably held onto Hurney to long and he didn't fire Fox one year earlier. Big whoopdy doo. Anything otherwise can just be passed off as an "in your head fantasy" until proven otherwise.

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I would argue the point that we have a true front office architecture but alas I do not work for them or know the inner working.

Funny this is the one conspiracy theory you have a hard time believing in

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1363182092' post='2159926']
I would argue the point that we have a true front office architecture but alas I do not work for them or know the inner working.

Funny this is the one conspiracy theory you have a hard time believing in
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Heh, you have no idea what I believe and don't believe. Just because I argue a point doesn't mean that I believe it.

That aside, I do believe my position in this particular argument.

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And I do mine. Which is why we have Gettleman and not a younger more promising GM

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[quote name='Panthro' timestamp='1363182284' post='2159935']
And I do mine. Which is why we have Gettleman and not a younger more promising GM
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More promising? Gettleman is probably the most qualified person in the league from a player personnel perspective. What exactly is not promising about him?

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So qualified and driven he took a step back in the Giants Org because he never thought he'd be given the chance to be a GM in the NFL...which makes him the perfect Richardson puppet when we dangled the GM carrot.

Same goes for Rivera.

Why spend the money on quality when there are deals to be had and pawns to buy

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You don't get to be as crappy of a franchise as we are by one component going bad. We are a perfect storm of ineptitude.

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