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Sen. Elizabeth Warren Makes Case for $22-an-hour Minimum Wage.

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There is a real issue with the stagnation of wages vs productivity/hours worked.

$22 might be too high.

My question is what is an hourly living wage?

My question is what defines what a "living" wage is.

How much better off would lower income brackets be if they didn't try to keep up with the Jones's and focused on increasing their skill set, saving money, and avoiding unneeded costs (smart phones, exorbitant cable bills, etc).

Just discussing here, please don't try and spin me as some hater of the poor (a plea to everyone).

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Does it?

You are paid for what you are worth (usually).

Walmart guy is making walmart money for a reason (again usually).

Welder guy is making his rate for a reason.

Banker guy is making his wage for a reason (this is one of the more corrupt examples).

In my perfect world system, the cream would rise to the top. A highly skilled worker would be in demand, thus companies would compete for his work and he would make a higher wage, gaining himself capital and perhaps giving him the chance to start his one.

Making the minimum wage would hurt more than help IMO.

I would much rather invest in programs to bring people up in employment, across the board, than pay unskilled workers the same thing a Nurse with a 2 year degree starts off making at New Hanover Hospital. Should full time janitor with no education or cultured skill set make the same as a educated nurse ?

using welders example...

as productivity increases less welders are needed. I produce more and my worth increases but my wages stay stagnate due to the less welders needed. The company can actually stagnate, lower my salary, and increase my hours because of increased productivity.

And don't tell me corporations are magnanimous. lol

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Cost of operation is arbitrary. I believe it is referenced by those in power to scare people from wanting better for themselves. They would still make profit and a lot of it, just not as much as they did make.

That's easy to say when you aren't running the cooperation.

You make hammers.

Every hammer costs 5 dollars to make while the wage is 10$ per hour. 3 of those 5 dollars are wage costs. You sell the hammer for 10$ making 5

Government doubles min wage to 20$ per hour. Now your cost of hammers is 8$ and you are only making 2$ per hammer. You have lost over half of your profit.

Do you shrug your shoulders and say, welp thats tough on me, I will just deal.

Or do you sell your hammer for 13$ and keep making that 5$ per?

I would contract with the Government and sell the hammers for 100$ each, but I'm a dick like that.

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using welders example...

as productivity increases less welders are needed. I produce more and my worth increases but my wages stay stagnate due to the less welders needed. The company can actually stagnate, lower my salary, and increase my hours because of increased productivity.

And don't tell me corporations are magnanimous. lol

Oh I admit such is an issue. The ideal thing would to have reached a high level of your craft so you are in demand at the plant/site/job that NEEDS you and will pay you better than the last.

I don't know how that applies to min wage tho...

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Does it?

You are paid for what you are worth (usually).

Walmart guy is making walmart money for a reason (again usually).

Welder guy is making his rate for a reason.

Banker guy is making his wage for a reason (this is one of the more corrupt examples).

In my perfect world system, the cream would rise to the top. A highly skilled worker would be in demand, thus companies would compete for his work and he would make a higher wage, gaining himself capital and perhaps giving him the chance to start his one.

Making the minimum wage would hurt more than help IMO.

I would much rather invest in programs to bring people up in employment, across the board, than pay unskilled workers the same thing a Nurse with a 2 year degree starts off making at New Hanover Hospital. Should full time janitor with no education or cultured skill set make the same as a educated nurse ?

It's hard to argue against unless, like I previously suggested, you increase ALL wages from the bottom up, which I think is still justified due to the current wealth distribution... BUT, when we get into that discussion we're infringing on the 'Mericun way.

Regardless, as I've explained in my own situation, there are far too many cases where there are college-educated "culturally skilled" and even specifically skilled laborers who are being vastly underemployed and/or underpaid. The system needs an enema.

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You are paid for what you are worth (usually).

Walmart guy is making walmart money for a reason (again usually).

Welder guy is making his rate for a reason.

Banker guy is making his wage for a reason (this is one of the more corrupt examples).

In my perfect world system, the cream would rise to the top. A highly skilled worker would be in demand, thus companies would compete for his work and he would make a higher wage, gaining himself capital and perhaps giving him the chance to start his one.

Making the minimum wage would hurt more than help IMO.

I would much rather invest in programs to bring people up in employment, across the board, than pay unskilled workers the same thing a Nurse with a 2 year degree starts off making at New Hanover Hospital. Should full time janitor with no education or cultured skill set make the same as a educated nurse ?

The thing is though...the amount of profit that a Walmart worker brings is actually very high. When I worked at Sears in college, my contribution per hour (profit, not revenue) was several times higher than my actual salary. These numbers were readily accessible and included on your commission report each week. I was paid commission and earned about twice what an average Walmart worker makes in a store that did a fraction of the business a Walmart would.

Employees at Sears and HHGregg can actually make a livable salary because they're paid commission on what they sell, but at Walmart, Target, Best Buy, and countless other retail stores people cannot make a livable wage even though their contribution to store profits is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy higher than what they are paid.

The retail environment used to pay many people a livable wage, but the rise of mega-stores destroyed many of these jobs and replaced them with minimum wage or slightly above minimum wage jobs.

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Layoffs will happen if they jerk up the minimum wage. Unless of course, we quit trading with countries in Asia

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Regardless, as I've explained in my own situation, there are far too many cases where there are college-educated "culturally skilled" and even specifically skilled laborers who are being vastly underemployed and/or underpaid. The system needs an enema.

I agree, but I don't think a huge min wage increase fixes it.

Crackdowns on people underpaying folks would be a great start and would start to level the playing field.

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That's easy to say when you aren't running the cooperation.

You make hammers.

Every hammer costs 5 dollars to make while the wage is 10$ per hour. 3 of those 5 dollars are wage costs. You sell the hammer for 10$ making 5

Government doubles min wage to 20$ per hour. Now your cost of hammers is 8$ and you are only making 2$ per hammer. You have lost over half of your profit.

Do you shrug your shoulders and say, welp thats tough on me, I will just deal.

Or do you sell your hammer for 13$ and keep making that 5$ per?

I would contract with the Government and sell the hammers for 100$ each, but I'm a dick like that.

I'd expect there to be some rise in cost of living and operations, but in regards to having to pay laborers more, I wouldn't shed a tear in many cases because so many companies are banking in excess. Yes, that would be tough on your average mom and pop businesses, but it would fix a lot of the issues with companies like Wal-Mart, Target, etc.

The deeper we get into the discussion, the more obvious it is that this isn't the answer in itself, but something has to be done.

How many of current CEOs are "skilled" in anything aside from delegating duties and watching the paper roll in? Too many.

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I'd expect there to be some rise in cost of living and operations, but in regards to having to pay laborers more, I wouldn't shed a tear in many cases because so many companies are banking in excess. Yes, that would be tough on your average mom and pop businesses, but it would fix a lot of the issues with companies like Wal-Mart, Target, etc.

The deeper we get into the discussion, the more obvious it is that this isn't the answer in itself, but something has to be done.

How many of current CEOs are "skilled" in anything aside from delegating duties and watching the paper roll in? Too many.

Trying to find if me or you said "culturlely skilled" I can't remember the context of what I as trying to say when I said it...anyways.

IMO If min wage goes up---> prices of everything goes up, so really you aren't gaining anything.

This may be a fallacy.

That said I am enjoying everyone's opinions.

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