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#1 Cary Kollins

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

Raleigh, N.C. — A bill filed by Republican lawmakers would allow North Carolina to declare an official religion, in violation of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Bill of Rights, and seeks to nullify any federal ruling against Christian prayer by public bodies statewide.
The legislation grew out of a dispute between the American Civil Liberties Union and the Rowan County Board of Commissioners. In a federal lawsuit filed last month, the ACLU says the board has opened 97 percent of its meetings since 2007 with explicitly Christian prayers.


House Bill 494, a resolution filed by Republican Rowan County Reps. Harry Warren and Carl Ford, would refuse to acknowledge the force of any judicial ruling on prayer in North Carolina – or indeed on any Constitutional topic:
"The Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not constitutional; therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the power to determine constitutionality and the proper interpretation and proper application of the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people," the bill states.
"Each state in the union is sovereign and may independently determine how that state may make laws respecting an establishment of religion," it states.
The Tenth Amendment argument, also known as "nullification," has been tried unsuccessfully by states for more than a century to defy everything from the Emancipation Proclamation of the Civil War to President Obama's health care reforms to gun control.
The bill goes on to say:


SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public schools or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

Eleven House Republicans have signed on to sponsor the resolution, including Majority Leader Edgar Starnes, R-Caldwell, and Budget Chairman Justin Burr, R-Stanly.



http://www.wral.com/...olina/12296876/

What is it about GOP state legislators that drives them to create laws that have no hope of surviving constitutional scrutiny yet always succeed in running up millions in legal fees to be paid by taxpayers on the way to failure?
And why is it that these same lawmakers are always among the ones crying foul when taxpayer money is spent on things such as healthcare for children or food stamps for the hungry but gladly blow big money on useless challenges to the United States Constitution?
Apparently, helping kids and seniors get needed healthcare is a shameful waste of taxpayer money while paying lawyers big money to pursue hopeless cases that only serve to further political careers is both noble and enlightening.


http://www.forbes.co...state-religion/

#2 The_Light_Brigade

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

Oh give me a fuging break...why can't they ever work on something that matters?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

Wait to see what the vote looks like...nothing's passed.

Member of Congress wants presidential limits raised too....been doing it every year he's been in Congress. Wait and see how far it goes before the molehill is promoted.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

LOL Rowan county

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

"The Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not constitutional; therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the power to determine constitutionality and the proper interpretation and proper application of the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people,"


So... they'd be OK with bringing back slavery? Stripping women of their right to vote?


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

This new state legislature has turned G5 into even more of a mess, at least before the elections he could blame everything dumb on Perdue

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:51 PM

1st and 14th Amendments make sure that this is absolutely unconstitutional. I like how they try to circumvent the federal courts rulings by saying "The Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not constitutional" when the 14th Amendment pretty much do that (Due Process, and hell, depending on what happens with the bill if it WERE to pass, Equal Protection).

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:56 PM

These guys sound just like the type of knowledgeable, civic minded folks I'd trust my state government to. And just think of all the equally great ideas they have on schools, airports, abortion and who knows what else!

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:37 PM

Embarrassing. I'm ashamed to call Rowan County my home.

#10 Cary Kollins

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:39 PM

Call or email or visit your local representative. Let them know how you feel about this crap.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:02 PM

Show of hands, who voted?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:06 AM

http://www.wral.com/...olina/12301359/

Sources in the GOP leadership say it's doubtful it will ever come up for a House vote.



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:11 AM

This was filed by 2 guys from 1 county right? How many reps are in nc house/senate?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:57 AM

This was filed by 2 guys from 1 county right? How many reps are in nc house/senate?


someone had to vote them in - their views are reflective of a scary number of NC constituency base. were it just two isolated crackpots it'd be far easier to dismiss

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

This was filed by 2 guys from 1 county right? How many reps are in nc house/senate?



A county that opens it's sessions with prayers to Jesus Christ and has the ACLU on their back. I think that is the reason for the proposed bill. The county has HUGE public support and will be facing lots of legal fees if they continue to piss off the ACLU by not stopping their Christian prayers.


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