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#11 carpanfan96


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

335 people were killed by gun violence in NC during 2011. While 1,220 people were killed by gun violence in CA during 2011.

Now factoring in the population of each state, 9.7 million for NC and 38 million for California.

NC has a much higher Murder by firearm rate then California (Roughly 14% compared to 9%)

Violent crimes in NC was around 42,000 and California was around 194,000, both of which are in the top 10 in the US.

NC also has one of the higher property damage and burglary crime rates in the Country as well. "Charlotte is particularly bad in this section of crime"

Data shows that while California has a higher total amount of crimes committed using a firearm, but the percentage is higher in NC because of the huge difference in population.



Now if you want to compare say the US (probably the weakest gun laws in the world) to the rest of the world. You can use the information from here. http://www.washingto...t-of-the-world/

You'll notice that Brazil and Southern Africa both have pretty damn high percentages comparatively for murder's committed with fire arms. While America is middle of the pack in those percentages but tops in the gun's owned percentage.

More detailed version of the gun's owned percentage can be found here. http://www.guardian....p-homicides-map

A bunch of people like to use Switzerland as a pro for gun ownership, but fail to realize that less then half of the civilians in Switzerland own guns. Most of the gun ownership is from militia and men being conscripted into the militia between 20-30.

Unless some are proposing that the US go back to conscription based service.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:21 PM

And Illinois is near the bottom. Yeah, not buying it.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:26 PM


I question the Validity of a poll/survey/w.e that says the State of NC has "worse" gun violence than the State of California.

And Illinois is near the bottom. Yeah, not buying it.

Questioning the methodology is fine, but summarily dismissing data that doesnt match your assumptions is quite ignorant. Most americans will tell you that violent crime is getting worse even though is has steadily declined for decades

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

In the old days most arguements ended up in the street at high noon, where the disagreeing parties would have a duel with guns. Very common for all walks of life back then. I wonder if they kept charts and graphs so we could compare the rates from then to now?

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:11 PM

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I can not stand with this asshole prez and all his bullshit. TWF He is a lier and WHY If I want a gun to bad. I dont get what is going on. If I want one the fine.HE MAKES ME SO MAD

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:13 PM

Above guy has been in and out of mental hospitals and posts disturbing private information on FB often. Went to school with him, all the girls thought he was really a looker - dated his sister for a short time too, never thought he'd turn up so crazy

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

hmm found one stupider. And he's a Yankees fan.

Trevor I agree! I can not stand Obamas fricken Gun Rule we should have our rights. Freedom of speech. Not even you tell a cop to Shut up you get in trouble. Free country? No not even close if it was a free country we would be able to do what we want. This country sucks! Im just thinking about moving to canada or europe when im 18. Obama can't tell me what to do! For all i care he can kiss my Ass

#18 Kevin Greene

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:59 AM

And Illinois is near the bottom. Yeah, not buying it.

Yeah, I can go out and buy all the hand guns, shot guns, and high powered rifles I want in California right now.
Yes, there are some restrictions on some weapons, many of which the restrictions have been worked around by the way to render them useless.

Other then the difficulty in owning a concealed weapon carry permit can anyone point out the meaningful difference in gun laws between the green and red states?

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:02 PM


WASHINGTON -- Adolphus Busch IV, heir to the Busch family brewing fortune, resigned his lifetime membership in the National Rifle Association on Thursday, writing in a letter to NRA President David Keene, "I fail to see how the NRA can disregard the overwhelming will of its members who see background checks as reasonable."
The resignation, first reported by KSDK, came a day after the Senate rejected a series of amendments to a gun control bill, including a bipartisan deal to expand background checks for gun sales. The NRA had vigorously opposed all those measures.
"The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established," wrote Busch. "Your current strategic focus clearly places priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members."
Reached for comment on Busch's resignation, NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam told The Huffington Post, "We disagree with his characterization, but we wish him all the best."
Busch joined the pro-gun organization in 1975 and has spoken before of his love of hunting. But the NRA has moved in a direction that Busch would not follow. "One only has to look at the makeup of the 75-member board of directors, dominated by manufacturing interests, to confirm my point. The NRA appears to have evolved into the lobby for gun and ammunition manufacturers rather than gun owners," he wrote.
Busch told Keene, "It disturbs me greatly to see this rigid new direction of the NRA." He singled out the gun lobby's reversal of its 1999 position in favor of universal background checks, as well as its opposition to an assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines. "I am simply unable to comprehend how assault weapons and large capacity magazines have a role in your vision," he wrote.
"Was it not the NRA position to support background checks when Mr. LaPierre himself stated in 1999 that NRA saw checks as 'reasonable'?" Busch wrote, referring to NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre's testimony at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in the wake of the 1999 Columbine High School shooting.

At that time, LaPierre said the NRA believed that universal background checks were a "reasonable" choice. The group even took out ads in major newspapers that read, "We believe it's reasonable to provide for instant background checks at gun shows, just like gun stores and pawn shops."
One week after that hearing, LaPierre rolled out the same argument that he would use 14 years later to attack President Barack Obama's gun safety proposals -- namely, that until the government prosecutes more background check violations, there is no point in expanding them.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

Stats that show that gun violence goes down when gun control goes up are not that meaningful if they do not measure all acts of violent crime. What good is it if gun violence goes down while knife violence goes up. The goal should be to reduce violent crime, not just violent crime committed while using a gun.

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