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What did you see to support the claim our secondary improved over the course of last season?

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#21 chef17

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:56 PM

Quarter Breakdown

 

1st

1120 yards

6 TDs

3 INTs

66.9 completion %

 

2nd

849 yards

3 TDs

3 INTs

67.5 completion %

 

3rd

869 yards

6 TDs

2 INTs

68 completion %

 

4th

1010 yards

7 TDs,

3 INTs

65.6 completion %

 

Interesting to see the second quarter was statistically the best.

 



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:14 PM

The coverage improved at the CB position when we benched CB Josh Norman. He cost us the KC game due to poor coverage against the slant, and blown coverage at other times throughout the season. Luke was also doing a poor job in pass coverage, but as the season wore on he started to make less costly mistakes. Naka was horrible, and the less he played, the better things looked. The pass coverage clearly improved imo, but we still have a secondary that doesn't tackle well, and can barely cover well enough to be considered average. The speed and size simply isn't there, but if our pass rush can continue to dominate NFC South rivals like ATL and N.O, then we can get by with scrubs and possibly sweep both teams. If ATL and N.O have greatly improved their pass protection from last season, then we're in deep trouble.  

 

Norman was benched right at the last 4 games started. Statistically, you can argue that was the worse quarter. Why do you say the coverage improved? Are you just going by what you saw?



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:28 PM

Norman was benched right at the last 4 games started. Statistically, you can argue that was the worse quarter. Why do you say the coverage improved? Are you just going by what you saw?

 

The last four games were the games that we dominated the scoreboard the most, which would lead to more passing by the opposing team. Those stats don't tell the whole story for either side of the argument, and stats rarely do.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:33 PM

Norman was benched right at the last 4 games started. Statistically, you can argue that was the worse quarter. Why do you say the coverage improved? Are you just going by what you saw?

 

I'm not in any way going by stats. I'm just giving my impression of how the coverage looked, and how certain individual players played. I have no idea when the coverage stats improved or declined.

 

There are certain pass plays that can reveal if your secondary has good coverage or not. Certain players in our secondary were exposed technique-wise, and once that happened, teams kept attacking those players. Changes were made, and experience was gained, and the coverage on certain tell-tale pass plays improved. That's what made me feel that the coverage overall had improved. If you want to look at the exact plays I'm talking about then I need video of certain games. Actually I made a post a while back on Norman and what he was doing wrong in the KC game with some pics or a clip. The thing is that if I can see one of our secondary players making big mistakes, then ALL of our opposition can see it and will jump all over it and ride it until we fix it. We fixed it with benching and coaching imo. Stats-wise I have no idea which games were the best. 



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:50 PM

Simple question just as the thread title says. I don't personally think the secondary got much better since good QBs still played well, the competition just got worse. However, many people disagree so I would like to know what specifically happened to make people believe they got better.

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Good QBs playing well are damm near impossible to stop. Hellz, in a passing league, you are lucky to stop anybody. So to you, there was no improvement.

 

 

Someone shows you stats that show improvement. Here is your response.

 

That isn't much improvement. Could argue they got worse.

 

Then you come back with this. Which contradicts your previous statement.

Not saying they got worse. And I'm asking about last season, not if they will be better this season.

 

So I made a joke about your fear of the past. And this is what I got for my trouble.

 

You're an idiot. People have one opinion. I disagree with that opinion so I am asking people to explain why they have that opinion. Since you can't do that kindly stay out of the thread.

 

 

The only person that may be able to allay your fears? You mom. Nothing anyone here has to say will give you enough insight to change your opinion. Futility at it's finest.

 

If you watched the games throughout the year. You saw what the rest of us saw. A bunch of kids doing their best.

 



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:04 PM

Im not diving into the stats. I know at least our last 2 games the secondary played better. Espicially in the Falcons game. Our DB's were doing a good job of jarring the ball loose when the falcons receivers were trying to catch the ball.

 

What really pissed me off was Tony Gonzalez getting away with obvious PI calls all game. If not for that the DB's would have done even better.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:12 PM

The last four games were the games that we dominated the scoreboard the most, which would lead to more passing by the opposing team. Those stats don't tell the whole story for either side of the argument, and stats rarely do.

Understandable, I agree about stats which is why I'm curious what other people use to support saying the secondary got better.

 

I'm not in any way going by stats. I'm just giving my impression of how the coverage looked, and how certain individual players played. I have no idea when the coverage stats improved or declined.

 

There are certain pass plays that can reveal if your secondary has good coverage or not. Certain players in our secondary were exposed technique-wise, and once that happened, teams kept attacking those players. Changes were made, and experience was gained, and the coverage on certain tell-tale pass plays improved. That's what made me feel that the coverage overall had improved. If you want to look at the exact plays I'm talking about then I need video of certain games. Actually I made a post a while back on Norman and what he was doing wrong in the KC game with some pics or a clip. The thing is that if I can see one of our secondary players making big mistakes, then ALL of our opposition can see it and will jump all over it and ride it until we fix it. We fixed it with benching and coaching imo. Stats-wise I have no idea which games were the best. 

That's fine, I wasn't looking for specific plays or anything. This is what I was asking for. I was curious whether people were using some stat, or just what they saw or something else and you provided that so thanks.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

 

 

"Could argue they got worse" isn't the same as "they got worse" considering I wasn't making a definite statement either way but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Asking people why they feel a certain way about last season isn't fear. Again, since you are too stupid for the thread kindly stay out of it. And how the hell is giving up 90 less yards but 4 more TDs and having 1 less INT improvement?



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:17 PM

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:47 PM

"Could argue they got worse" isn't the same as "they got worse" considering I wasn't making a definite statement either way but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Asking people why they feel a certain way about last season isn't fear. Again, since you are too stupid for the thread kindly stay out of it. And how the hell is giving up 90 less yards but 4 more TDs and having 1 less INT improvement?

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You have refuted every opinion given. What is it you want to hear? We, the ones who saw improvement, did just that. Saw improvement. Ii is not a measurable stat you can refute. Take it for what it is worth.

 

Why you getting mad at me? I have tried to answer your question 3 times. And all 3 times you have attacked me. Poor poor me.

 





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