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Rivera: Panthers' new offense will be more of a collaberative effort


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I personally think a collaborative approach (if it has the buy in of the parties involved) could prove to be far superior to the sole "I know best" approach.

 

But I am just a hippie sales person who jives on system and divergent thinking.

i think its a smart way to go, but esp. when you hav  limited ability.

 

i'm just not sure how this collaberative thing will work on game day. conference call prior to each play?

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i think its a smart way to go, but esp. when you hav  limited ability.

 

i'm just not sure how this collaberative thing will work on game day. conference call prior to each play?

 

lol. Maybe i was just reading into the article, but Rivera was pretty much saying Shula is the complete opposite of Chud. It almost seemed like he was slamming Chud in the article to me.

 

Everyone's opinion will be taken into considerations including Cam, which i think will be best for everybody. I want to see Cam take the reigns of the offense more and more as the years go by.

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If I was Shula I would not like this at all.

 

He needs to make a mark as a legit OC and get back in the game. Instead, it isn't even his offense, its the panthers offense?

 

What message does that send to him in the confidence RIvera has?

he wasn't hired because he was the most talented prospect. he was hired because he was here already and because he would use the playbook that was here. you know....the whole continuity thing.

 

best thing he can do for himself and the team is get himself out of the way and do his best to not leave his stamp on things....which is what rivera is trying to avoid, apparently. can't say i blame him.

 

nice try on his behalf to say he was impressed with how aggressive shula was. he might be aggressive,  but i've  known plenty of aggressive people who couldn't make good and/or quick decisions so that didn't exactly win me over.

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I would guess that the collaborative approach will have more to do with game-planning than calling plays.  That's not a bad thing either.

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If I was Shula I would not like this at all.

 

He needs to make a mark as a legit OC and get back in the game. Instead, it isn't even his offense, its the panthers offense?

 

What message does that send to him in the confidence RIvera has?

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Seems to me it may be more about how Chud didn't let others contribute as much as Rivera would have liked instead of a knock on Shula

 

 

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Something about ball control + Cam Newton doesn't mesh.

Do we really want ball control to be our signature with a dynamic QB like Cam? Sure, situationally it is a good thing....but ball control offenses usually involve trying to win with weak QB play.

I am glad you pointed this out because I did not want to leave the impression that I am suggesting Henning/Davidson.  I simply think Cam will be better when the D has to address the run game.  We were terrible running the ball last year, and we saw mostly nickel defenses.  I simply want the offense to establish the run more.  I think the vertical passing game opens up, Cam would be unstoppable if the defense was forced to stop other players.  

 

I also agree with Razor.  How the heck will the committee system work?  i tried that once with girlfriends in college and it did not bode well for me.

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lol. Maybe i was just reading into the article, but Rivera was pretty much saying Shula is the complete opposite of Chud. It almost seemed like he was slamming Chud in the article to me.

 

Everyone's opinion will be taken into considerations including Cam, which i think will be best for everybody. I want to see Cam take the reigns of the offense more and more as the years go by.

it could be both.

 

chud was all about chud making chud look good.

 

i think shula is more of a team player so thats good...i just dont think hes cut out for this role.

 

fwiw, i think he'd be a better HC than OC, and thats not me saying he'd suck at both, just less at HC. i think he would be a better macro-manager than micro-manager. i just don't think he should be running the offense because i don't think that is his strength. 

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Extending Zod's comment--

Rivera said the same thing about McDermott when he hired him, and think it hurt McDermott's credibility.  This is worse because Rivera was an establshed DC--who are your offensive minds that are going to form this committee?  How in the hell do you choose Shula over established NFL Offensive coordinators and then go public stating that he will not be the man in charge of the offense?  I have to think that he is referring to alterations in the system because they like some aspects of Chud's system.  However, Rivera has a lot to learn about building up his coordinators.  We already know that the head coach has the final decisions on offense and defense, so why say it?  Will Shula wait for a smiley face or gold star when he makes a modification or calls a play? 

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Shula will call plays and design the game plan.  He will simply let the players and other coaches to have more input.  Seems like a win-win for everyone.  Funny how some people put a negative spin on everything about Shula. Then again if you only look for the negative you will usually find what you are looking for.

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What I got from the article:

 

 

"we could really be a really good team.”

 

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Shula will call plays and design the game plan.  He will simply let the players and other coaches to have more input.  Seems like a win-win for everyone.  Funny how some people put a negative spin on everything about Shula. Then again if you only look for the negative you will usually find what you are looking for.

I see this a negative on Rivera.  What you describe happens on various levels--there are not too many coordinators who do not seek input from everyone involved.  So, why go public and say this?  I think it hurts Shula's credibility for no reason.  Shula has a fairly experienced offensive staff and I am sure he will lean on them.

 

I want Shula to be getting endorsements and votes of confidence.  Although I do not see this as a deliberate attempt to discredit Shula, there is no need to make this statement, in my opinion.

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Per usual way too much reading into things and jumping to conclusions.

"I'm not a Negative Nancy, I'm just realistic. Stop persecuting me!"

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