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Cary Kollins

"A rare peek into a Justice Department leak probe" involving a FoxNews reporter

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snitches get stiches

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I haven't really said one way or the other how I have felt about this so it would be hard to peg me as a hypocrite.

Truth is I agree with the press and the DOJ both.

I am a little more hawkish when it comes to national security as I supported the PATRIOT Act (and still do) and at the time the war in Iraq (although in hindsight I realize it was a huge mistake).

So I have no problem with aggressively investigating leaks that pertain to national security and protecting intelligence personell.

At the same time I also agree that the media has a job to do and they shouldn't be treated as criminals.

As far as the IRS thing is concerned I haven't found anyone outside of the Republican bubble that believes that the IRS mess was any type of directive from the White House or any other democratic leaders. It appears that it was a faulty screening process that unfairly targeted conservative groups.

So the IRS targets conservatives and your reply is "nobody is complaining except those conservatives". I like the broad scope of your thinking.

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So the IRS targets conservatives and your reply is "nobody is complaining except those conservatives". I like the broad scope of your thinking.

Did I say no one was complaining? There is a difference between targeting conservative groups and conservative groups being in unfairly targeted as a byproduct of a poor screening process.

But people in the conservative bubble look at "unfairly targeted" and fall right into their predictable victimization paranoia of a President puppet master trying to destroy their civil liberties of taking unlimited money without disclosure to influence elections.

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Equal protection clause doesn't have exceptions for increased amounts of a specific group of persons. 

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Did I say no one was complaining? There is a difference between targeting conservative groups and conservative groups being in unfairly targeted as a byproduct of a poor screening process.

But people in the conservative bubble look at "unfairly targeted" and fall right into their predictable victimization paranoia of a President puppet master trying to destroy their civil liberties of taking unlimited money without disclosure to influence elections.

Dont give me the poor screening process crap. Just babble off some junk that the liberal press puts out. Guess it is only those 3 workers in Cincinatti that "screwed up". Yeah, with each set of talking points, comes another day where they fall apart only to get a new set of talking points.

Time for you to get a new set

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Was the leak actually a threat to national security or to Obama's national campaign? Seems  the administration was supressing info, while congress was trying to inform the citizens? If so, the representitive should be commended.

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Dont give me the poor screening process crap. Just babble off some junk that the liberal press puts out. Guess it is only those 3 workers in Cincinatti that "screwed up". Yeah, with each set of talking points, comes another day where they fall apart only to get a new set of talking points.

Time for you to get a new set

I derive that opinion from several sources including former employees of the IRS who may not buy into the fact that is was rogue employees, but also state that people who think this was partisan or was the result of directives from the White House don't understand how the IRS works.

Good to see you retreat back into your liberal press reality shield. Only people telling you the truth is Fox News, the Drudge Report, and conservative talk radio. Their track record on basic facts and journalistic integrity has been soooo good.

Enjoy living in a bubble. Romney won in a landslide and the polls were skewed and Nate Silver is a partisan hack.

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Was the leak actually a threat to national security or to Obama's national campaign? Seems  the administration was supressing info, while congress was trying to inform the citizens? If so, the representitive should be commended.

 

 

I'm not sure if this post is even serious.  Did you read the OP?

 

"Rosen reported that U.S. intelligence officials were warning that North Korea was likely to respond to United Nations sanctions with more nuclear tests. The CIA had learned the information, Rosen wrote, from sources inside North Korea."

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I'm not sure if this post is even serious.  Did you read the OP?

 

"Rosen reported that U.S. intelligence officials were warning that North Korea was likely to respond to United Nations sanctions with more nuclear tests. The CIA had learned the information, Rosen wrote, from sources inside North Korea."

I guess my question goes back to the ap story that was buried. Cause that was supressed in favor of the election. which is also how all of this came to the surface.If the doj wants to do investigations thats fine. as long as they do it legally.  

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The problem, what the DOJ has done is not illegal. Well, I say that but many of the laws surrounding these are subjective because it has to balance free press with national security.

The reason these stories are so damaging is that it puts both domestic and foreign intelligence people at perilous risk.

In addition it allows people who want to do harm to the US to reevaluate how their own information was gathered by the US making intelligence even harder to gather.

And lastly if leaks happen in the US that put foreign intelligence agents in danger then foreign intelligence entities are less agreeable to share information to US intelligence for fear of their agents lives and intelligence gathering capabilities.

So this is serious business.

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