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Johnathan Jones of the Charlotte Observer: Impressions after Day 3

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No one claimed Jake would be Drew Stanton's back-up.

 

Anyway, just because you state that Smitty doesn't have a HOF resume doesn't mean that he doesn't have one.  When 89 hangs up his cleats---whether it be 3 days or three years---he is immediately in the discussion. many of his peers, past and present, seem to respect his resume more than some Panthers fans.

whatever comment was made about Drew Stanton, Shaun Hill, etc...that just ain't right.  You could say Jake Delhomme could outplay Manning, Brady, whoever on any given Sunday as well...

 

Smitty is a HOF talent.  He just doesn't have HOF numbers.  HOF is a numbers game.  If his career ended today, by the time he was eligible....nothing on his NUMBERS resume would standout.   His career yards will be his big number and by the time he is eligible it just won't be enough (his standing will of fallen)

 

Talent wise? Splash reel? In his prime? I'd take Smith in his prime against anyone...

 

Numbers are too big of a factor for HOF and WRs already struggle to get in with much much better ones.   I have always said, if Smith where to have a shot...it would be for him to finish off his POSTSEASON resume strong.  His postseason resume pace could of been a gamechanger for his odds....2 postseason runs and a ring? Maybe, he could get in if he played big.  Today, he simply doesn't have a HOF resume.

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You laugh, but others thought of Delhomme as a game manager. The concept is far from foreign. Google Delhomme and "game manager". What in the world? Perhaps it's semantics or plain old revisionist history on someone's part, but Jake Delhomme was a known game manager by more than a few.

they must not have watched more than a couple games.

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whatever comment was made about Drew Stanton, Shaun Hill, etc...that just ain't right.  You could say Jake Delhomme could outplay Manning, Brady, whoever on any given Sunday as well...

 

Smitty is a HOF talent.  He just doesn't have HOF numbers.  HOF is a numbers game.  If his career ended today, by the time he was eligible....nothing on his NUMBERS resume would standout.   His career yards will be his big number and by the time he is eligible it just won't be enough.

 

Talent wise? Splash reel? In his prime? I'd take Smith in his prime against anyone...

 

Numbers are too big of a factor for HOF and WRs already struggle to get in with much much better ones.   I have always said, if Smith where to have a shot...it would be for him to finish off his POSTSEASON resume strong.  His postseason resume pace could of been a gamechanger for his odds....2 postseason runs and a ring? Maybe, he could get in if he played big.  Today, he simply doesn't have a HOF resume.

 

I'm through with the rehash-Jake therapy feel-good session.

 

 

 

 

In regards to Smitty:

 

Today he has a "puncher's chance". Tomorrow, who knows?

 

Still, any derivative of poo and Smitty don't belong in the same sentence, and most certainly not in reference to a guy who (Megatron or Smitty) who hasn't even finished his career. 

 

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I'm through with the rehash-Jake therapy feel-good session.

 

 

 

 

In regards to Smitty:

 

Today he has a "puncher's chance". Tomorrow, who knows?

 

Still, any derivative of poo and Smitty don't belong in the same sentence, and most certainly not in reference to a guy who (Megatron or Smitty) who hasn't even finished his career. 

ok.

 

Smitty.  Can we just talk numbers in regards to HOF.  Nothing else.  If Smith's retired today....do you think he has the numbers?  If yes, do you think Santana Moss has the numbers?

 

I personally don't think numbers should be the end all be all...but I think you start the conversation just looking there.

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ok.

 

Smitty.  Can we just talk numbers in regards to HOF.  Nothing else.  If Smith's retired today....do you think he has the numbers?  If yes, do you think Santana Moss has the numbers?

 

I personally don't think numbers should be the end all be all...but I think you start the conversation just looking there.

 

In regards to the literal numbers, which rightly or wrongly are many a person's litmus test to determining hall of fame material, you're more than likely correct, CRA, Smitty does not get in---not immediately. Not ever. But then when you take intangibles into account, and more importantly Steve Smith's impact upon his games and the game of football, perhaps he will get in one day (based only upon his play up to today). Will people's perceptions and thoughts on what justifies a spot in Canton hopefully evolve over the years which would help Smith and others get into the Hall? Maybe. Is it likely? Perhaps not.  My thing is that for what Smith brings to the game, especially when he was in his prime, so-to-speak, poo and Smitty don't belong in the same sentence, ever. Call my thinking on this clouded, "homerish, emo (which I am really not trying to convey)" or whatever, but that's my whole point.

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Im still glad we have a good RB core with stew down.

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Statements on Stewart are concerning....understanding that camp is 8 weeks away and the seson 12-14 weeks...at some point, the man has to be healthy or it's chronic.

 

Of course, he had an issue before being drafted  in the first round with his foot and was 'cleared' by Panthers doctors.

 

I really like Jonathan; but at some point, chronic becomes a problem even if he manages to get in the game.

 

 

What I'm thinking is that, unlike the "GIVE ME SIXTH ROUND WAHD RECEEBERS!!!!" crowd, maybe Gettlemen knew what he was doing selecting Barner.

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In regards to the literal numbers, which rightly or wrongly are many a person's litmus test to determining hall of fame material, you're more than likely correct, CRA, Smitty does not get in---not immediately. Not ever. But then when you take intangibles into account, and more importantly Steve Smith's impact upon his games and the game of football, perhaps he will get in one day (based only upon his play up to today). Will people's perceptions and thoughts on what justifies a spot in Canton hopefully evolve over the years which would help Smith and others get into the Hall? Maybe. Is it likely? Perhaps not.  My thing is that for what Smith brings to the game, especially when he was in his prime, so-to-speak, poo and Smitty don't belong in the same sentence, ever. Call my thinking on this clouded, "homerish, emo (which I am really not trying to convey)" or whatever, but that's my whole point.

well....if am still pulling for him.  Again, I think he has a shot if he can find a ring w/ 2 more deep postseason runs.  His career playoff numbers would help a lot.  I mean after 2005....he had set himself up for something crazy.  He just couldn't get back.

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bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa.........

 

jake a game manager? lol you must not have really paid attention. the dude was nothing but a risk taker as a passer, always airing it out way down field in some really reckless situations just trusting that smitty or whoever would be able to grab it.

 

game manager = safe and controlled ≠ jake delhomme

 

Just because jake sucks as a QB doesnt make him a "gunslinger" he was a game managning QB who sucked and threw Ints... why dont you read up of the two terms and look at history. They are types of players, not adjectives after-the-fact.

 

Edit: gunslingers throw big yardage games.. game managers dont... I dont recall jake having too many big yardage games. a lot of INTs thrown, yes, but never aired it out. he was in a system to be a game manager, and just failed to be a quality QB, except for maybe two/three ok years.

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Just because jake sucks as a QB doesnt make him a "gunslinger" he was a game managning QB who sucked and threw Ints... why dont you read up of the two terms and look at history. They are types of players, not adjectives after-the-fact.

 

Edit: gunslingers throw big yardage games.. game managers dont... I dont recall jake having too many big yardage games. a lot of INTs thrown, yes, but never aired it out. he was in a system to be a game manager, and just failed to be a quality QB, except for maybe two/three ok years.

 

lol ok.

 

 

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lol ok.

 

lol

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Being a Gunslinger is a Mindset. Jake had that mindset. And I refuse to change that description just because Top Dawg isn't happy with it. 20 years ago, or even in todays NFL, the Gunslinger walks a lonely path. His brethren are thin in numbers. Few men dare lead such a life.

Jake gave us 5 good years. It is like kids nowadays believe anything U2 and gaggle tell them. I was there, I saw what he did. I saw it with my own two eyes. Good Jake was a pleasure to watch. As long as you took your heart medicine that is. Ha

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