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Johnathan Jones of the Charlotte Observer: Impressions after Day 3


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#76 MadHatter

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:22 PM

Not even discussing post Tommy John Jake. Different man, injury made him a different QB.

2003-2007 - he was a poor man's Favre...approached the position the same.

Exactly.

The guy made throws that he should have never even tried...and somehow they were successful.

2 min to go in the game and down by 4.... Jake was a magician.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

Going to have to disagree with that.  Fox and Hurney always saw our lack of depth at receiver as a huge weakness and did alot to attempt to fix that problem.  Colbert was a second round pick, so was Dwayne Jarret.  We brought in guys like Keyshawn Johnson and DJ Hackett - brought Moose back at the end of his career.  We swung at this problem for years, we just happened to strike out every time.

who was on the roster in '05? that's what i was talking about. we had proehl, but he was at his end and just wasn't doing much either. colbert and proehl both had 25 recps compared to smith with 103...and of course foster had 34 that year.

 

the recievers after smith were pretty much an afterthought that year.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:32 PM

Exactly.

The guy made throws that he should have never even tried...and somehow they were successful.

2 min to go in the game and down by 4.... Jake was a magician.

 

I disagree with that. Jake was the same QB post tommy john surgery. He just couldn't get away the same things anymore. He never adapted and he couldn't fit the ball in places he used to. After that, all of his flaws were exposed.Mentally I think he was the same old Jake. He also had a tendency to lock on Smith. Some of his best games were when Smith was injured and Jake was forced the spread the ball around.

 

 

If Jake lost his confidence it was the ARZ playoff game. Fox buried Jake Delhomme that day. He should have benched him at half time yet he left him out there to destroy his own team. That was one of the worst decisions, or non decisions I think Fox ever made. Moore should have played the 2nd half.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:48 PM

I disagree with that. Jake was the same QB post tommy john surgery. He just couldn't get away the same things anymore. He never adapted and he couldn't fit the ball in places he used to. After that, all of his flaws were exposed.Mentally I think he was the same old Jake. He also had a tendency to lock on Smith. Some of his best games were when Smith was injured and Jake was forced the spread the ball around.


If Jake lost his confidence it was the ARZ playoff game. Fox buried Jake Delhomme that day. He should have benched him at half time yet he left him out there to destroy his own team. That was one of the worst decisions, or non decisions I think Fox ever made. Moore should have played the 2nd half.

His arm was never the same.

His on field persona was never the same.

He was a different QB. No QB has ever successfully comeback from it

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

who was on the roster in '05? that's what i was talking about. we had proehl, but he was at his end and just wasn't doing much either. colbert and proehl both had 25 recps compared to smith with 103...and of course foster had 34 that year.

 

the recievers after smith were pretty much an afterthought that year.

 

Ohhhhh '05....yea we tried to remedy that issue BECAUSE of 05.

 

To be honest I don't think Fox really had many plans for the passing game that year and wasn't expecting to see what Smith did.  We had a really good defense that year and were pretty well built to run the rock.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

Jake was mediocre at best. I honestly didn't realize this until the Seattle debacle in 2005 I think. The Seahawks swallowed their pride and double/triple covered Smitty and Jake couldn't complete a pass to anyone else. Add that with the fact that we were down to the 5th string RB and the route was on.

 

I've always described Smitty as a better football player than Moss/Fitz/Calvin, but they're better WRs because of their ability to go up and get the ball. Smitty had/has the ability to bring the ball down in a crowd, just not as well as Calvin/Moss/Moss. But none of those players have the ability to take a smoke screen to the house like Smitty can.

 

Another way of saying it is that Smith is pound for pound the best there ever was.. the best there is,... and the best there ever will be.

 

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:38 PM

Trent Dilfer.

 

Rex Grossman/Caleb Hanney/Kyle Orton (I dont remember who actually played QB in that game... but the chicago qbs were all pretty god awful that year)

 

hmmmm pie but, I still think that this is an exception and there arent too many others.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

Steve Smith deserves to be in the HOF because he changed the way people looked at small WRs.

Every time there's a wr with speed coming into the NFL he gets compared to Smith. No one else.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:29 PM



LOL....okay, let get this straight.

 

1.  Jake wasn't a gambling gunslinger but a game manager

2.  He didn't force a lot of throws that weren't there.

 

Okay, good job.  You got us.  Good job.  Nice trolling.  No sane person would say that.

 

Dude, you are a complete dumbass lol...

 

I said he was bred as a "game manager" however, he lacks the ability to be decent at the QB position, as evidenced by his uncanny abiltity to throw the ball to the other team [the team not wearing our jerseys to break it down further for you]... This is unlike favre because favre would try and fit balls into windows that should never be thrown into, yet jake wouldnt see a window because he would throw it to the corner on a 1 on 1.

 

You starting to learn a little bit here? or do you want to keep straw manning?



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:22 AM

His arm was never the same.

His on field persona was never the same.

He was a different QB. No QB has ever successfully comeback from it

 

Keep in mind that many of these posters are barely 20. Their football IQ at 10 obviously triumphs stats or highlights from pre-08.



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:33 AM

Keep in mind that many of these posters are barely 20. Their football IQ at 10 obviously triumphs stats or highlights from pre-08.

 

"highlights"... the best measurement of ability out there. Give me a fuging break.



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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:11 PM

The way I see it if Smitty plays for 3 more seasons and gets a ring, he is in the HOF.




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