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#61 Jakob

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

I thought I had already put my 2 cents in but I guess I was remembering wrong. Anyways, I like the hire, Clifford is not the hire I wanted but the coach we need.

 

if things go as planned he could make us a playoff team in 2-3 years.

 

Notice I said IF



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:53 PM

Any of you guys who think the Hornets are going to have a legitimate shot to sign Howard need to step back and take few deep breaths. Never going to happen. Why would it happen?


I don't think anyone thinks its going to happen, but I'd like the Hornets to make a phone call. If they make the call, I give it 0.5% chance (0.75% if we add Ewing to the staff). If they don't make the call its 0%.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

Chris Paul is going to be one of those players that will ALWAYS be rumored as a potential Hornets FA target/landing spot. Doubt it ever happens. Maybe in like 10-12 years when he is about to retire and comes here for one season. Howard is not going to sign here, either. Why would he? He is in the prime of his career and I doubt he would want to waste his good years being a babysitter to an awful team that is a still 2-3 years away from seriously competing for the 7/8 playoff spot. I'd be willing to bet both of those players resign with their current teams. I could see Howard leaving but my money is on him resigning with the Lakers.

I love your optimism bro, and I am much more excited about the franchise with the Hornets name coming back to where it belongs, too. I also know Higgins said they are going spend money this off season and sign a max level contract player. He said that in a very sneaky, almost deceitful way. What he really meant is he is going to sign a player to a max level offer/contract, which also means they are going to sign a mid level/up and coming player to a max contract. Not an elite player like Paul or Howard to a max level contract.


This is all true, but IF we were to sign Howard and Paul we would not be 2-3 years away. We would immediately be contenders. Paul w

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:02 PM

Sorry, posting from my phone..

This is all true, but IF we were to sign Howard and Paul we would not be 2-3 years away. We would immediately be contenders. Paul won't happen, he's staying in LA. The clippers fired del ***** to ensure that. Howard is very unlikely, but apparently has a very good relationship with Clifford and Ewing. Also how many nba players are going to easily say no to Michael Jordan? I get the feeling that MJ has been an absentee owner to this point, but it feels like he's tired of the critism and losing money. If he gets involved, his name alone has to help.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:17 PM

The odds of the Hornets signing CP3 or Howard are probably slightly better than me heading up to 7/11 and purchasing a scratch off that wins me 50k.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:18 PM

More Clifford love...  CANNNN YOUUUUUU DIGGGGGGG ITTTTTTT???

 

 

Thibs getting in on it and that is certainly an impressive quote from Gortat.

 

Gortat must have forgotten that we have no scoring threats to make us a strong team.  As of now, anyway.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:24 PM

Howard would be taking a drastic pay cut to come here.  No taxes if he goes to Houston/Dallas, gets an extra year on his contract in LA.  Not to mention, he's a giant risk to give a contract to right now and the biggest diva around.  He's a shell of the player he was a couple years ago when he was arguably the 2nd or 3rd best guy in the league. 

 

The chance of ANY big name free agent coming here is laughably small, until the team gets more talent.  Even if CP3 and Howard BOTH came...they still may not even be contenders.  Both guys have nagging injuries and as serious as CP3 takes the game, he would MURDER Howard.  Part of the reason CP3 and Blake feuded was Blake just wanting to have fun.  

 

I can't wait until the Hornets are contenders...but it won't be happening until they land a Durant type guy in the draft AND add more talent.  Kemba and MKG are nice starts.  But they're not even comparable to say Westbrook and Harden, who had Durant and Ibaka as well and came up short of a title last year.  Kemba and MKG are the only 2 guys on this roster that would be starting on a playoff team right now.  And that's not even a sure thing.  Adding a big name FA or even 2 won't make this team a contender. 



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:18 PM

I'm really starting to like this hire, it's clear that he has built strong relationships with players which might really help us in free agent.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:36 PM

With Kemba on the roster plus him being on a rookie contract I doubt we even persue CP3.

CP3 is a great player but I don't see the upgrade over value ratio that would make sense

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:25 PM

With Kemba on the roster plus him being on a rookie contract I doubt we even persue CP3.

CP3 is a great player but I don't see the upgrade over value ratio that would make sense

 

CP3 is way better than Kemba, and he always will be.  That's just how it is.  A lot of experts think Kemba would be better off the bench anyway as a high energy guy.  



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:06 PM

CP3 is way better than Kemba, and he always will be.  That's just how it is.  A lot of experts think Kemba would be better off the bench anyway as a high energy guy.  

 

I'm not saying Kemba is better than CP3, but I don't see the sense in having a guy who is 23 years old and just averaged 18ppg and 6 apg (very similar to Paul's stats his second year in the league) that is making @2.6 million and under contract or three more seasons and signing a guy who is 28 years old and averaged 17ppg and 10apg that is going to demand @20 million over 4 seasons.

 

Point being, although I think Chris Paul is better than Kemba right now, I don't think he is 17 million dollars better.  That money can be better spent and would have a bigger impact on actually improving the team as a whole if it is spent elsewhere.

 

That is 17 million additional dollars spent to moderately upgrade one position when that same 20 million could be spent elsewhere to immensely upgrade another position (like center or PF).



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:30 AM

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics."

 

People need to take that old quote into account when discussing any Bobcats player.  Somebody has to score the ball.

 

As far as Kemba, he's a solid player who hopefully will one day be good.  That's his ceiling IMO.  Never a Top 10 PG, just good.  Playing out his rookie contract is really valuable.  After that, time will tell.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:02 AM

Anyone else wondering why the Clifford hiring has been in the media for 2-3 days but the Bobcats/Hornets have not made any offical press release as of yet?  Do you think we are having negotiation disputes or do you think another team may have thrown a big offer at him when they heard we were pulling the trigger?  Clifford was scheduled for a second interview on Tuesday that never happened I believe.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:21 AM

Anyone else wondering why the Clifford hiring has been in the media for 2-3 days but the Bobcats/Hornets have not made any offical press release as of yet?  Do you think we are having negotiation disputes or do you think another team may have thrown a big offer at him when they heard we were pulling the trigger?  Clifford was scheduled for a second interview on Tuesday that never happened I believe.

 

Today, Charlotte is going to announce him as the new coach. It will be televised at 2:30 on SportSouth.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:43 AM

Kemba is REALLY underrated around here.

 

Anyways, I'm pretty happy with the Clifford hire. He's a solid coach and I hope that he will turn us into a good defensive team. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot be one of the better defensive teams in the NBA. We most certainly should not be the worst defensive team in the NBA.

 

Kemba

Hendo

MKG

Biz

 

Hendo are MKG are both good defenders. MKG has potential to be a great defender (he already ranked in the top 50 for guarding isolation, post up, PnR, and a couple of other offensive plays -- that's versatility!) Kemba got us 2 steals per game this year and Biz has the potential to be a very good defensive player. We just need to add a PF and add a guy like Oladipo and our defensive potential to through the roof.




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