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#41 Third Degree

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

Horrible fail. Can't shoot? LOL OK. 

 

Also you're all gambling on the fact every piece we have will re-sign here, something that's, oh, just about never happened. But by all means continue telling me how picking in the top 5 for 15 years is better than being an 8 seed in the playoffs. I guess the Clippers were just rebuilding from 1984-2009 before finally getting Blake Griffin and being a short-term contender, right? They were just staying the course for 25 years?



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:38 PM

Just, no.  Showing facts does nothing I see.  I mean, please enlighten me on how great of a shooter Kemba is.  Please.

 

Not to mention throwing the Clippers out there without opening the can of worms that is their problems is just silly to try to draw a comparison to the Hornets problems.  

 

But if you want to use Blake as an example...they drafted him.  A potential superstar.  As well as other nice pieces and then brought a guy in to make them contenders.  They weren't, due to internal problems, Vinny, Donald Sterling, players bitching at each other, etc.  Keep throwing out dumb ass hypothetical situations like picking in the Top 5 for 15 years though, which I haven't mentioned and hasn't happened here.  I've already said in this thread, again, that there is an easy way to be a playoff contender and compete.  Buy a couple players, they're there.  They, and essentially every other team who has ever won big, haven't done that.  Please, look at the past champions and teams that made it to finals, and tell me how they were built.  They weren't striving for 8 seeds.  They gambled or got lucky by drafting or trading for a YOUNG superstar, and went from there.  

 

 



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:44 PM

In case you need an article, showing the doubts on Kemba's shooting ON TOP of the damn stats I provided.  I'll even do you one better, his high school recruiting profile.  Weaknesses?  Perimeter and 3 point shooting.  It's always been a problem.  He's a play maker.  Not a shooter.  Again, it's the Bobcats and he's the number 1 option.  Somebody has to score.  He does, with poo percentages, largely based on the high volume of poo shots and inconsistency that has always plagued him.

 

http://sportsillustr...lker/index.html

 

http://miami.scout.c...c=1&nid=2742155



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:58 PM

43% from the field is that bad? Hmm, I guess Allen Iverson must have sucked too. He spent most of his career as a sub-43% shooter. And yes, I'm going to keep bringing up the Clippers because for 25 years they did what you and others on here suggest: keep sucking, keep drafting, keep sucking, rinse, lather, repeat. This franchise has made the correct draft selection twice (Okafor, Walker) and you could maybe argue Henderson and Felton. They have an atrocious track record and in a situation where if you can get MIA to do a sign-and-trade for #4, you do it because it gets kind of old being allergic to success. At least I believe it does. But some people can look at 21-61, think "Yay Wiggins Time" and get happy again despite the fact we'd be tanking to pick a guy who plays the same position as our LAST top pick. 



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 10:24 PM

Where did I say Kemba couldn't score?  I'll wait.  I said he can't shoot.  He's a decent player, but is not, and more than likely will not ever be a Top 10 PG.

 

Sweet Jesus, I've even said in this thread I believe that I don't think Bosh makes this team a playoff team.  There's hardly ANY talent here.  And obviously I'd take Smart (again, said that in this thread)...who is a PG and would force the Bobcats to trade Kemba more than likely if they went that route. I also called Len a project, and am highly skeptical of him, but if you want to play the "you never know" game, then you never know, but Bosh could come here and put up 10 and 6.  Bosh is not a franchise guy, especially at this stage in his career.  Why trade a pick for him, and pay him like one then?  Maybe you'll read this post correctly?

 

My bad. I shouldve said "SHOOT" instead of "SCORE".
I dont give a crap about what you think. Kemba is our best shooter/scorer on this team. He has shown it times after times that he can shoot/score the ball. The kid is only in his 2nd year in the pro. He vastly improved his production last year from his rookie year, and I will only guess that he'll repeat it again in his 3rd year. Kemba has outperformed Brandon Knight who came out the same year as he did. His first two years are very similar to Jrue Holiday, who many believes to be a Top10 PG in this league. The only thing that Kemba could improve on is his APG, but he cant do nothing about that until he gets some other help.



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 10:56 PM

Again, not knocking any part of Kemba EXCEPT his shooting.  43% last year was decent, yes.  Show consistency.  Until proven otherwise, he's the same guy who teetered back and forth with percentages in college.  Glass half full, yeah he may continue that rate.  His proven track record, chances are he may not.  He's good at slashing/driving/creating, much like AI, to use that comparison...but he also isn't in the same league as AI.  Iverson got to the FT line on average a couple hundred more times per season than Kemba for instance.  AI was special.  How the old management drafted also doesn't play as big of a role here, as Cho has made the right selections it seems (outside of Bismack).  As others, including Chuck who pied the above post have said, adding Bosh doesn't make this team even a guaranteed playoff contender.  So why tie up money in an aging player who may not want to be here?  You gain a band-aid to add 7-8 wins per season, while giving up a Top 5 pick, potentially in 2 drafts if it takes us out of the Top 5 in 2014?  

 

As for Chuck, not giving a crap what I think, doesn't exactly matter. Yes, Kemba is the best scorer/shooter...that's sad.  Doesn't mean he's great or even good at it yet.  It speaks volumes to the talent level of this team. I hope he does continue improving...the past and facts however say he's wildly inconsistent until proven otherwise. Let's say his ceiling is Jrue Holiday.  The Hornets are anything more than a borderline playoff team with Jrue Holiday as the best player?  Add Bosh to that, they're arguably still not even better than the 76ers now.  

 

I understand that losing sucks and it would be nice to see a playoff run, despite how short it would be right now.  Personally, I'd rather compete for titles.  There's a reason they blew the team up, and that small market teams constantly have to do it.  It's the way it is.  If you want nothing more than a random playoff win every couple years, get Bosh or sign Jefferson as a band-aid/stop-gap type guy and hope Bismack suddenly becomes a ball player, MKG develops a shot, and Kemba ascends into an elite PG.  I'd say the chances are higher they land a stud in next year's draft and then build around him.  It's just a matter of preference in the rebuilding style.  One method prefers to win consistently, but never win it all, and the other prefers to compete for the ultimate goal...an actual title.  The Heat, Mavs, Lakers, Spurs, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, etc. who have all won titles in the last 30 years started by either drafting, or completing a draft day trade, for their superstars.  Right now, the Bobcats don't have one.  Until somebody develops into one (not likely), or they find one...mediocre is the ceiling in a small market. 



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 01:49 AM

Would completely ruin any chance to rebuild the team. So help me christ if this ever happened.



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:35 AM

Of course everyone wants to compete for titles, but the problem is, if this team doesn't start making money NOW, it's gone in a matter of a few years.  MJ won't keep bleeding money to keep this going.  Time is something we DO NOT have.  The name change will help, but fielding a fun and competitive team even if it's a low seed for a few years in the row is what this city and team NEEDS to get on a roll.  

 

It's like people don't realize we've been terrible and rebuilding for a decade.  If this was 8 years ago I'd be all for not signing anyone.  So I'd rather keep an NBA team in Charlotte rather hinging the franchise on "draft luck".  



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:00 AM

Of course everyone wants to compete for titles, but the problem is, if this team doesn't start making money NOW, it's gone in a matter of a few years. MJ won't keep bleeding money to keep this going. Time is something we DO NOT have. The name change will help, but fielding a fun and competitive team even if it's a low seed for a few years in the row is what this city and team NEEDS to get on a roll.

It's like people don't realize we've been terrible and rebuilding for a decade. If this was 8 years ago I'd be all for not signing anyone. So I'd rather keep an NBA team in Charlotte rather hinging the franchise on "draft luck".


You would actually be surprised, but according to the Charlotte Business Journal the Hornets sold $1 million dollars in tickets in the first 24 hours of the name change.

So it's not like we're not making money and one more year at the chance of landing a possible superstar in Wiggins, Parker, Randle, or Smart will not break this team financially.

However trading for Bosh would, if I'm not mistaking Bosh has a player option that would pay him 22 million dollars then 20 million dollars in consecutive years, making him the third highest paid player in the NBA in that time span. You could argue that Bosh may opt out of his contract, and if that's the case; then the Hornets essentially traded a top five pick for a one year rental.

On top of all of this, if the Hornets did make this deal and the team had a decent season (not in the lottery), then we would also lose our 2014 draft pick to Chicago which could potentially leave us with no draft picks in what could be one of the deepest drafts in recent history.

If you can honestly say you would still take Bosh after all this, I would love to know why.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:03 AM

There is NO way Bosh would opt out, and I also believe he likes the smaller markets better anyway.

 

1 million in tickets is nothing, and unless the team is fun and competitive that's ALL they will sell.  Those are the hardcore fans but the normal fans will want a competitive team to buy tickets multiple times a year.

 

When you say "one more year at the chance" you are basically guessing.  It could be a decade before we get a superstar, or never.  Like I've said before, the worst team hasn't got the #1 pick in years, so nothing is given.  This team will not survive 5 more years of hoping to get lucky in the draft.  It just won't.  The name change will help some but you can throw glitter on a turd and at the end of the day it's still just a turd.  In our situation, after a decade of suck, we don't have time on our side.  So yeah, I'd choose an all-star that has years left over a crap shoot in a rigged NBA lottery.   People are are 100% against this keep using the word "could" or "possibly" to define the draft next year, but Bosh IS an all-star, and HAS and CAN score 22ppg and 9rpg+.

 

At this point we have to spend money anyway to reach the minimum.  Also, no one wants to come here anyway, so it wouldn't be money we would NEED to spend on other things, if we needed money Tyrus would have been amnestied a while ago.  I think people are just so used to the Bobcats being terrible as the culture of the team they are OK with waiting another 5 years of playing the draft, but money talks and MJ isn't stupid.  He'll dump this in a few years if it doesn't start making money.  Not to mention Seattle WILL jump at any team once it comes up, they almost got the Kings.




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