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#151 DaCityKats

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:26 AM

GM's don't get involved with the gameplanning.  They hire coaches that run the system they want run.  What they might do is make suggestions for what they want, such as a particular player needs to be more or less involved or the offense needs to be more balanced.  But they don't actually get into the specific gameplanning...quite frankly, no GM has the time (and for the most part expertise) to get particularly deep into the specifics of what the coach is or isn't doing.  That's why they hire the guy that's going to do what they want without having to micro manage. 

 

i know, that was my point.
 



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:23 PM

so what is the success rate of a GM getting involved with game planning and how often has it happened?

Ricardson got involved with the gameplanning so why wouldn't the GM.  What most of you confuse is gameplanning with playcalling or designing plays.

Richardson said stop running the read option and go to a more traditional running game.  That is gameplanning.

It isn't micromanagement or designing plays for a particular game but there is more than 1 kind of gameplanning. It isn't gameplanning like looking a particular defense and designing plays to beat that.  Frankly head coaches don't do that either much of the time.  Coordinators do.  But in the sense that the GM is in control of the big picture they do tell the coach what they want to see and the head coach tells the coordinator what they want to see. That is giving directions and gameplanning but in a more global sense.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:26 PM

GM's don't get involved with the gameplanning.  They hire coaches that run the system they want run.  What they might do is make suggestions for what they want, such as a particular player needs to be more or less involved or the offense needs to be more balanced.  But they don't actually get into the specific gameplanning...quite frankly, no GM has the time (and for the most part expertise) to get particularly deep into the specifics of what the coach is or isn't doing.  That's why they hire the guy that's going to do what they want without having to micro manage. 

Your line 3 is gameplanning.  Head coaches don't micromanage either but they do help the coordinator with the game plan just like Rivera did  in 2012.  Depends on the level of game planning you are talking about.  But to say they don;t get involved in not likely true.  The issue is how involved.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:56 PM

When and where did Richardson say stop running the read option. I missed it.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:03 PM

When and where did Richardson say stop running the read option. I missed it.

 

 

Yeah, I want to see a link to this article.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:17 PM

Ricardson got involved with the gameplanning so why wouldn't the GM.  What most of you confuse is gameplanning with playcalling or designing plays.

Richardson said stop running the read option and go to a more traditional running game.  That is gameplanning.

It isn't micromanagement or designing plays for a particular game but there is more than 1 kind of gameplanning. It isn't gameplanning like looking a particular defense and designing plays to beat that.  Frankly head coaches don't do that either much of the time.  Coordinators do.  But in the sense that the GM is in control of the big picture they do tell the coach what they want to see and the head coach tells the coordinator what they want to see. That is giving directions and gameplanning but in a more global sense.

 

i never knew that a GM determines what philosophy a coach decides to run. he is in control of the bigger picture as far as personnel on the team wise, but i do not believe he insist in over stepping his boundries. i have a hard time of seeing Thompson, Reese, Smith, Ozzie or any successful GM getting involved with game planning.  and if richardson is involved in game planning, no wonder we havent won many games in the last 4 years.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:21 PM

GM's don't get involved with the gameplanning. They hire coaches that run the system they want run. What they might do is make suggestions for what they want, such as a particular player needs to be more or less involved or the offense needs to be more balanced. But they don't actually get into the specific gameplanning...quite frankly, no GM has the time (and for the most part expertise) to get particularly deep into the specifics of what the coach is or isn't doing. That's why they hire the guy that's going to do what they want without having to micro manage.

Well the Gettlemen fanboys claim the first year GM will gameplan and tell Rivera what do on Sunday....

They probably also think he can insert himself as our starting RG spot. Basically he is everything now

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:36 PM

Well the Gettlemen fanboys claim the first year GM will gameplan and tell Rivera what do on Sunday....

They probably also think he can insert himself as our starting RG spot. Basically he is everything now


Yupper. Gettlemen is a God up in here.

Just for the folks that have a clue anywho.

So you have resorted to pish pash insults because you cannot convince anyone you have any idea of how a football team operates.

You Gettlemen wiseacrers crack me up when you get all underappreciated and stuff.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:43 PM

Yupper. Gettlemen is a God up in here.

Just for the folks that have a clue anywho.

So you have resorted to pish pash insults because you cannot convince anyone you have any idea of how a football team operates.

You Gettlemen wiseacrers crack me up when you get all underappreciated and stuff.


So let me get this straight....

You are claiming our first year GM is going to gameplan, playcall and basically be our coach on Sunday....yet are lecturing about people not knowing how a football team operates?

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:46 PM

i never knew that a GM determines what philosophy a coach decides to run. he is in control of the bigger picture as far as personnel on the team wise, but i do not believe he insist in over stepping his boundries. i have a hard time of seeing Thompson, Reese, Smith, Ozzie or any successful GM getting involved with game planning.  and if richardson is involved in game planning, no wonder we havent won many games in the last 4 years.


Why do you think a GM brings in his own guy as the coach? Because he is bringing a guy that fits his philosophy. So he is in fact setting what the team will be, right from the start.

When the GM and coach interact as much as Rivera and Gettlemen they communicate. That does not mean Gettlemen is drawing up plays. It simply means he is honing the philosophy of who we want to be.

Not every GM - Coach have this type of relationship. But there are far more that do than don't. It is an intricate part of determining the direction your team takes.

This is actually a good thing. I think it bodes well, that we have every level of command on the same page.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:56 PM

So let me get this straight....

You are claiming our first year GM is going to gameplan, playcall and basically be our coach on Sunday....yet are lecturing about people not knowing how a football team operates?


You are one crazy dude. Did you even read what I just posted? Because nothing in what I just wrote is anywhere near what you are saying.

You seem to get a little testy when folks don't swing to your unorthodeox way of thinking. Which is ironic when you post so much "If I can think it, it must be true."

Hey, I don't mind. It gives me something to do. You just keep being you.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:33 PM

Well the Gettlemen fanboys claim the first year GM will gameplan and tell Rivera what do on Sunday....

They probably also think he can insert himself as our starting RG spot. Basically he is everything now

 

No one ever said Gettlemen was going to GamePlan, and  you know that. 

 

It's about the direction of the team, which affects the ultimate game plan carried out by the coaches and coordinators. 

 

Of course, after a game, or watching tape, A GM can point certain things out if they see glaring weaknesses or mismanagement especially from a young, in-experienced or developing coach. That's standard. 

 

Some people here act like they don't understand the Job description of a GM, and the different facets, responsibility and control he may have depending on who's their coach (or the coach they hire). Come on now guys. 



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:10 PM

Why do you think a GM brings in his own guy as the coach? Because he is bringing a guy that fits his philosophy. So he is in fact setting what the team will be, right from the start.When the GM and coach interact as much as Rivera and Gettlemen they communicate. That does not mean Gettlemen is drawing up plays. It simply means he is honing the philosophy of who we want to be.Not every GM - Coach have this type of relationship. But there are far more that do than don't. It is an intricate part of determining the direction your team takes.This is actually a good thing. I think it bodes well, that we have every level of command on the same page.


Yeah, um...Gettlemen didn't bring in Rivera. He had no say. Rivera/Cam is something he inherited and simply has to accept....for now.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:12 PM

No one ever said Gettlemen was going to GamePlan, and  you know that. 
 
It's about the direction of the team, which affects the ultimate game plan carried out by the coaches and coordinators. 
 
Of course, after a game, or watching tape, A GM can point certain things out, if they see glaring weaknesses or mismanagement especially from a young, in-experienced or developing coach. That's standard. 
 
Some people here act like they don't understand the Job description of a GM, and the different facets, responsibility and control he may have depending on who's their coach (or the coach they hire). Come on now guys.


You need to pay more attention to how carried away some get with Gettlemen...

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:14 PM

You are one crazy dude. Did you even read what I just posted? Because nothing in what I just wrote is anywhere near what you are saying.You seem to get a little testy when folks don't swing to your unorthodeox way of thinking. Which is ironic when you post so much "If I can think it, it must be true."Hey, I don't mind. It gives me something to do. You just keep being you.


I read what you post.... Like the other day when you want on and on about Rivera being 3rd in line in regards to what his team does on Sundays......

You post some pretty bold stuff...when it is addressed you then quit talking about it and start these type posts. Not sure what you want to call these type replies. I call it diverting attention away from the topics you start talking about


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