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Read Option and running, will get reduced, as soon as QB's--like Griffin get hurt, and NFL defenses catch up, better deal with it.

I don't disagree with doing it. Not at all. It should be used. However, it would be fools gold to think it's the long term, ultimate Craze--yet... The Redskins had a great rushing attack, and [basically] a high school offense tricking/freezing you on virtually every play. Seattle had a great defense and rushing attack, while Wilson developed into a good pocket QB. And Frisco was loaded on both sides of the ball. And Cam is just Cam.

Let's see how things look for Wash, Seattle and Frisco (and their QB's) next year before the Official Read Option/Mobile QB Anointment/Takeover?? Luckily, Kaep and Wilson, have very good teams (on paper), so we may never know, though I believe Wilson is a relatively mature pocket QB at this stage.

The read option is new to the NFL that is true. But at other levels where it is more prominent there is no evidence that read option QBs are more likely to get hurt than QBs in other types of offenses.

I for one am not worried that the read option is anymore dangerous or any less dangerous than any other offense for QBs.

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Have you not watched Newton? Yes, by NFL standards....running is something he is simply a natural at.

He is off to a historical and record setting pace....record shattering pace. Proof is in the pudding. Cam picking up yards with his legs is something he simply does...and does well.

No, Double Trouble is no longer here to be the offense. They are here to play a role. Provide balance....not be an offense like years ago

No CRA I have never watched our quarterback play football. Really lol?

Just because he wasn't on the injury report doesn't mean he wasn't getting banged up. He definitely was....

You're still twisting my words. I never said double trouble had to be the whole offense. They damn sure need to be running the football though, not to mention we have big Mike Tolbert to pound it in and he needs his too.

You're on short term and I'm on long term. We have a franchise QB, I'd like him to last more than 5 years.

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No CRA I have never watched our quarterback play football. Really lol?

Just because he wasn't on the injury report doesn't mean he wasn't getting banged up. He definitely was....

You're still twisting my words. I never said double trouble had to be the whole offense. They damn sure need to be running the football though, not to mention we have big Mike Tolbert to pound it in and he needs his too.

You're on short term and I'm on long term. We have a franchise QB, I'd like him to last more than 5 years.

Cam obviously got banged up in the pocket and short yardage goal work.....

Running outside of the goaline work? I'm more worried about Newton getting hurt passing than running.

Let Cam be Cam. He is young. No need to try to act like the 23 yr old version needs to protect himself like he would at 37.

I am a full supporter of drastically reducing his short yardage work. His other running? No need for a reduction in that.

You said Double Trouble are here to carry the load for Cam. That is vague, so sorry I didn't get your implied meaning. They are here to be roleplayers.....most dominant position was RB not long ago in Carolina. Those days are over.

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I don't disagree but when it is 3rd and goal on the 3 yard line, I can assure you Cam will running the ball.

It's easy for us fans to say this is stupid, but I can promise you no one in the stadium would take a field goal over Cam taking it to the end zone to prevent the potential injury. Our running backs haven't run through a wet paper bag in years.

Under Shula, I think you will see Tolbert get the ball in that situation.

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Cam obviously got banged up in the pocket and short yardage goal work.....

Running outside of the goaline work? I'm more worried about Newton getting hurt passing than running.

Let Cam be Cam. He is young. No need to try to act like the 23 yr old version needs to protect himself like he would at 37.

I am a full supporter of drastically reducing his short yardage work. His other running? No need for a reduction in that.

You said Double Trouble are here to carry the load for Cam. That is vague, so sorry I didn't get your implied meaning. They are here to be roleplayers.....most dominant position was RB not long ago in Carolina. Those days are over.

Whether he's 24 or 34, at the end of the day he's still human.

I agree about the short yardage runs. That's really my concern, opposing players getting cheapshots in. Like I said. I don't want him to stop running altogether, and yes I realize he can get hurt in the pocket just as much.

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Whether he's 24 or 34, at the end of the day he's still human.

I agree about the short yardage runs. That's really my concern, opposing players getting cheapshots in. Like I said. I don't want him to stop running altogether, and yes I realize he can get hurt in the pocket just as much.

Well then we both agree on the short yardage runs. Those piles are invitations for extracurricular junk and pounding. We can remove those completely...

Cam's best usage of his wheels is when he leads the league like in 2011 with the most 3rd down conversions. Those weren't just 3rd and 1 runs.....it is the 3rd and 5 or 6 when he is at his best. Passing downs. Run lanes open up....and he flops or takes a huge chunk.

I think his TDs will fluctuate more than yardage over the next couple seasons.

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The read option is new to the NFL that is true. But at other levels where it is more prominent there is no evidence that read option QBs are more likely to get hurt than QBs in other types of offenses.

I for one am not worried that the read option is anymore dangerous or any less dangerous than any other offense for QB

 

An interesting blog in the offseason.  It covers the issue of injury to running quarterbacks and even includes the race card.  Something for everyone.

 

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/02/are-running-quarterbacks-more-likely-to.html

 

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Well then we both agree on the short yardage runs. Those piles are invitations for extracurricular junk and pounding. We can remove those completely...

Cam's best usage of his wheels is when he leads the league like in 2011 with the most 3rd down conversions. Those weren't just 3rd and 1 runs.....it is the 3rd and 5 or 6 when he is at his best. Passing downs. Run lanes open up....and he flops or takes a huge chunk.

I think his TDs will fluctuate more than yardage over the next couple seasons.

 

As long as Cam doesn't get seriously hurt he can continue to run until he is 30 or so.  But eventually he will have to rely on passing versus running to earn his living.  Which is why he needs to focus on that now.  Progressive injuries whether he is in the pocket or not will take their toll like they do with every quarterback.  Quarterbacks don't run over folks they elude them which requires speeds and agility which declines with age and injury.  So really this question might be germaine for a few years but won't matter 5 years from now.  Guys like Vick no matter how fast slow down with age and wear and tear on their bodies.  Cam is no exception.  The only debate is how long can he keep it up and when will he have to give up running as a staple of his skills.

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As long as Cam doesn't get seriously hurt he can continue to run until he is 30 or so. But eventually he will have to rely on passing versus running to earn his living. Which is why he needs to focus on that now. Progressive injuries whether he is in the pocket or not will take their toll like they do with every quarterback. Quarterbacks don't run over folks they elude them which requires speeds and agility which declines with age and injury. So really this question might be germaine for a few years but won't matter 5 years from now. Guys like Vick no matter how fast slow down with age and wear and tear on their bodies. Cam is no exception. The only debate is how long can he keep it up and when will he have to give up running as a staple of his skills.

I think he gives it up as a staple of his skills....when he retires. Again, I think the shot yardage goes soon....hopefully this year outside of the rare moment.

It was a staple for Steve Young up until the end.

Cam IMO even at an early age show decision making while running a Mike Vick never has figured out. Cam doesn't have the speed of an RGIII or Vick but he is smarter and more elusive. That will keep him running IMO without the injuries....it at least give him better odds

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It wouldn't surprise me if Cam's rushing numbers are down a bit, but rest assured, he will still be our goal line back. To tempting to not use him in the goal line.

 

No; especially with Tolbert there!!

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I think he gives it up as a staple of his skills....when he retires. Again, I think the shot yardage goes soon....hopefully this year outside of the rare moment.

It was a staple for Steve Young up until the end.

Cam IMO even at an early age show decision making while running a Mike Vick never has figured out. Cam doesn't have the speed of an RGIII or Vick but he is smarter and more elusive. That will keep him running IMO without the injuries....it at least give him better odds

Do you remember why Young gave it up?  Too many concussions while running so he had to retire.  And he was not a starter for 5 or 6 years. Plus Young never ran more than 75 times in any one year.  His career total was 722.  That was in 15 seasons or roughly 50 a year.  In 2 years Newton has 253 of over a 1/3 of that.  At his current pace if he does what you suggest, he will surpass Young totals by year 7 or well before he is 30.  Anyone who thinks he can keep that up without suffering the same fate is delusional. 

Then read the article about running quarterbacks.  Funny how you spin everything to your point of view despite the facts which prove like usual, you are wrong. 

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Cam is going to get his rushing stats by default. I dont like to put a limit on how many rushing yards or touchdowns he could get in a given season cause after his rookie season his rushing stats were supposed to rear back quite a bit...not quite.

 

I just think the next step for Cam Newton is to be more efficient in the passing game which would make him unflappable

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