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just off the top of my head cam did lead a 90 yard drive to ice the redskins game and stood toe to toe with drew brees in the super dome to come back from a double digit halftime deficit.  then there are the three games (first falcons game, second bucs game, bears) where the defense gave up walk-off scoring drives.

 

of course, none of that holds a candle to andrew luck leading his team in to field goal range with 3:00 left to play and the defense holds.  teeray put together this awesome post where he described all of andrew luck's "come from behind wins" and seriously half of them were like "colts kick field goal, defense holds for 3+ minutes".  i wish i could find that thread again.

Isn't it amazing what the media can do in their pursuit to be right all along! They kind of not telling the truth but not lying either. Personally, there is nothing more annoying when someone use that stupid trick against you.

 

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It wouldn't surprise me if Cam's rushing numbers are down a bit, but rest assured, he will still be our goal line back. To tempting to not use him in the goal line.

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Read Option and running, will get reduced, as soon as QB's--like Griffin get hurt, and NFL defenses catch up, better deal with it. 

 

I don't disagree with doing it. Not at all. It should be used. However, it would be fools gold to think it's the long term, ultimate Craze--yet...The Redskins had a great rushing attack, and [basically] a high school offense tricking/freezing you on virtually every play. Seattle had a great defense and rushing attack, while Wilson developed into a good pocket QB. And Frisco was loaded on both sides of the ball. And Cam is just Cam. 

 

Let's see how things look for Wash, Seattle and Frisco (and their QB's) next year before the Official Read Option/Mobile QB Anointment/Takeover?? Luckily, Kaep and Wilson, have very good teams (on paper), so we may never know, though I believe Wilson is a relatively mature pocket QB at this stage. 

So, you're saying professional NFL players were getting tricked weekly by high school-like trick plays for an entire season? I don't agree with that. Calling it HS offense shows that you have some contempt against that style of play. Your point could have been as valid if you called it college offense. And I'm sure RG3 and the read-option played a role in that rushing attack.

 

I think all the QBs we mentioned are pretty mature in the pocket. But they can also run and pick up a first down for you too. What owner wouldn't go for that? Trent Dilfer works with HS level QBs in the Elite 11 and I see what he sees, the top QB recruits in the country the last few years have been mobile QBs. Every team is looking for their Cam. EJ Manuel was selected solely on his potential to be like Cam. Unlike you, owners don't need next year to evaluate the mobile QBs to see if they fit the NFL. Owners realized since the Vick days that the time it takes for a team with a mobile QB to be competitive is very short and don't need a complete team to start winning.

 

Hopefully we can continue this conversation when the season start. Can't wait.

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It wouldn't surprise me if Cam's rushing numbers are down a bit, but rest assured, he will still be our goal line back. To tempting to not use him in the goal line.

 

Already addressed....if you use your franchise QB as a battering ram on the goal line (when you have Fat Tolbert in the backfield), then you it when said QB goes down with a season ending injury.

 

Much like the argument that you don't put your #1 WR returning punts, you don't use your QB as a goal line full back.

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blah-blah-blah-7 comeback wins, etc.....Cam......blah...blah

 

 

You must think Aaron Rogers is a real loser. If you've got him down in the 4th, you got him beat.

 

Last year at the this time....

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/aaron-rodgers-mr-irrelevant-fourth-quarter/15278/

 

Rodgers and Kenney are two of the worst quarterbacks of all time when it comes to fourth-quarter comeback opportunities:

  • Rodgers is 3-18 (.143)
  • Kenney was 3-27 (.100)

 

 

Further in the article it's stated that Jamarcus Russell has 3 comeback wins. (3-6)

Weak sauce....weak sauce...

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Already addressed....if you use your franchise QB as a battering ram on the goal line (when you have Fat Tolbert in the backfield), then you it when said QB goes down with a season ending injury.

Much like the argument that you don't put your #1 WR returning punts, you don't use your QB as a goal line full back.

I don't disagree but when it is 3rd and goal on the 3 yard line, I can assure you Cam will running the ball.

It's easy for us fans to say this is stupid, but I can promise you no one in the stadium would take a field goal over Cam taking it to the end zone to prevent the potential injury. Our running backs haven't run through a wet paper bag in years.

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So, you're saying professional NFL players were getting tricked weekly by high school-like trick plays for an entire season? I don't agree with that. Calling it HS offense shows that you have some contempt against that style of play. Your point could have been as valid if you called it college offense. And I'm sure RG3 and the read-option played a role in that rushing attack.

 

I think all the QBs we mentioned are pretty mature in the pocket. But they can also run and pick up a first down for you too. What owner wouldn't go for that? Trent Dilfer works with HS level QBs in the Elite 11 and I see what he sees, the top QB recruits in the country the last few years have been mobile QBs. Every team is looking for their Cam. EJ Manuel was selected solely on his potential to be like Cam. Unlike you, owners don't need next year to evaluate the mobile QBs to see if they fit the NFL. Owners realized since the Vick days that the time it takes for a team with a mobile QB to be competitive is very short and don't need a complete team to start winning.

 

Hopefully we can continue this conversation when the season start. Can't wait.

 

Have you watched Washington Play??

 

No one does the trickery, constant motion, lateral, bootleg, razzle dazzle, etc.. they do. That's why I called it a high school offense. It doesn't look like Seattle's, even San Francisco's, and certainly not like the Panthers (though that can be both a good and bad thing--Lol). 

 

I don't disagree with your earlier statement, in regards to where the league is going. There's certainly some merit to that. However, let's just wait and see if Cam, RG3, Wilson and Kaep are the exception, and not the rule. Cause with the exception of Cam, and Wilson (who gets a lot of help as well), I think it would be much harder for these QB's to duplicate their success, if they were required to carry more of the load, and didn't have such good teams to deflect attention. Cam, Luck and Tannenhill, were the only ones that really experienced that. 

 

For example: The Redskins, Seattle, and Frisco (correct me if I'm wrong), ran more rushing than Passing plays during the season? So you can't even call them a Pass first offense. They relied heavily on their run game (along with other stuff to aid their young QB's). Let's see what happens, if/when their rushing games or defenses are not as good in 2013?

 

What I'm saying, is actually a compliment to Cam, Wilson, and even Luck (regarding, "let's wait and see"). 

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Have you watched Washington Play??

 

No one does the trickery, constant motion, lateral, bootleg, razzle dazzle, etc.. they do. That's why I called it a high school offense. It doesn't look like Seattle's, even San Francisco's, and certainly not like the Panthers (though that can be both a good and bad thing--Lol). 

 

I don't disagree with your earlier statement, in regards to where the league is going. There's certainly some merit to that. However, let's just wait and see if Cam, RG3, Wilson and Kaep are the exception, and not the rule. Cause with the exception of Cam, and Wilson (who gets a lot of help as well), I think it would be much harder for these QB's to duplicate their success, if they were required to carry more of the load, and didn't have such good teams to deflect attention. Cam, Luck and Tannenhill, were the only ones that really experienced that. 

 

For example: The Redskins, Seattle, and Frisco (correct me if I'm wrong), ran more rushing than Passing plays during the season? So you can't even call them a Pass first offense. They relied heavily on their run game (along with other stuff to aid their young QB's). Let's see what happens, if/when their rushing games or defenses are not as good in 2013?

 

What I'm saying, is actually a compliment to Cam, Wilson, and even Luck (regarding, "let's wait and see"). 

I agree that we should wait and see this year. But we can't do that every year. This year the whole NFL has an off season to figure out mobile QBs/read-options. No one should have any excuses when they're put up 30 points on everyone.

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I think they did as well.

Runs on those short yardage situations are like a car crash. The defense knows it is a run and everyone is crashing down. The collisions there are incredible. I would prefer Cam not take those shots (even though he is the size of a LB).

and they wisely started using Tolbert in the 2nd half

But Cam still had more second half rushes than first half. Which means limiting the zone read and goal line carries.....didnt result in fewer rush attempts. Not about Cam running less or for less yards. Just about running him smartly and he is a near unstoppable mismatch when ran smartly

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i find my conversation exilerating, im presenting an enlightened point of view, and at the same time, attempting to make this board interesting for you dullards. as dull as yall are, even you guys must tire of listening to the same old boring garbage every day. you people drive me crazy. i have a good mind to just sign off, and let you continue to dream of the great things that cam is going to be able to do, once he matures. they say the average male matures around 30, so you only have about 5 more years of defending him as a legitimate, winning, leader of men. you dullards sicken me.

Don't you have a high school party to attend to?

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