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FootballMaestro    2,500

I give you the W's but still.  Top 20?  Slightly overrated.

 

I am happy we took Cam.  I have a gut feeling. Cam is going to have a Pro Bowl season.  No I don't have a single bit of proof just a gut feeling.

 

I agree with you in spirit. No worries. 

 

And after watching Cam, and the other Rookie QB's (and Kaep), I can strongly feel the Panthers made the right pick. 

 

I think sometimes we forget, that Cam walked onto NFL fields and efficiently threw for 400 yds, in competitive games--right off the bat, in a mostly conventional offense on a last place team. I don't think any of those other guys could do that. Cam was ready from the start (despite his 'lack of experience' as a Div I QB)! 

 

Maybe, if you switch coaches, and the Panthers wins some of those close games they lost; maybe Cam gets a higher rating in the NFL 100? He should, even with out it. 

 

But from watching those games (and the the other rookie QB's and Kaep), I can say with strong conviction, that Cam had the most impact on the field, regardless of the various QB records. The other QB's (except Luck) were in offenses, where they actually ran the ball more than they threw. But despite this under discussed factoid/tidbit, these guys still get credit, as if the offense is/was based around them. Well it wasn't. 

 

Big Difference. 

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FootballMaestro    2,500

Possibly, but Kaep is a pretty good passer. Wilson is definitely a better passer than he gets credit for, though.

 

Kaep, could be the least developed passer amongst them all. 

 

He always appears nervous, rushed and has happy feet when he has to wait in the pocket (unless he has great protection--instilling confidence).

 

Plus, he has a very funky motion, that a decent pass rush can expose. 

 

Like RG3: The 49ers goal, is to get the ball out of his hands as fast as possible, and use the run game as a basis for him to work off of. 

 

My two cents. Shrugs

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TheJason    293

Kaep, could be the least developed passer amongst them all.

With the coach he has? I doubt it.

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Razeyfingers    1,005

I dont think it was a stretch at all for Manning to be #2. He did everything expected of him last year and that was damn near impossible in the first place. Limited talent on offense, good defense. That offense had nothing before he got there, their defense was carrying them. AAaaand then theres the neck thing.

 

I mean so basically theyre saying if you come back from a severe injury and play really well then you should be bumped up the list. Thats fine, Im cool with that but. . where's Thomas Davis on that list then. Had to put him in the top 100 then, cmon now.

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Not even a little bit. 1814 passing yards for 10 TDs and only 3 INTs, plus another 415 yards and 5 TDs on the ground for a QB rating of 98.3 and a Super Bowl appearance in 7 starts is pretty damn good. Considering that QB is by far the most important position in football, I have no problem with him being #82.

Then again, I'm not one of the Panthers fans who feels threatened when any QB other than Can Newton receives praise. There are other good QBs not named Can Newton. I'm damn happy with our guy and it doesn't bunch up my panties when others are happy with their guy.

i was thinkin you had argued that luck wasnt any good, regardless, this is a very wise statement, especially on this board!

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I dont think it was a stretch at all for Manning to be #2. He did everything expected of him last year and that was damn near impossible in the first place. Limited talent on offense, good defense. That offense had nothing before he got there, their defense was carrying them. AAaaand then theres the neck thing.

 

I mean so basically theyre saying if you come back from a severe injury and play really well then you should be bumped up the list. Thats fine, Im cool with that but. . where's Thomas Davis on that list then. Had to put him in the top 100 then, cmon now.

to say denver's offense had nothing before manning got there is quite an overstatement. very good skill position players and a very good offensive line. manning deserves a lot of credit for what he accomplished at his age, coming after four neck surgeries, but to rank him over rodgers is a joke. rodgers has been sacked more than any qb over last four years and has no running game, yet he is without doubt the best there is.

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tiger7_88    13,879

With the coach he has? I doubt it.

You mean the coach he has who continued to start Alex Smith over Colin Kaepernick until the day Alex Smith got hurt?

That coach?

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LinvilleGorge    14,518

i was thinkin you had argued that luck wasnt any good, regardless, this is a very wise statement, especially on this board!

 

Nope, only an idiot would argue that.  The kid played great for a rookie.  He put up big numbers, but he had a ridiculous number of attempts and pretty low overall efficiency.  Still though, for a rookie, damn good.

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nickzz    1,181

You mean the coach he has who continued to start Alex Smith over Colin Kaepernick until the day Alex Smith got hurt?

That coach?

 

he had no reason to bench smith until he got hurt.

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Nope, only an idiot would argue that.  The kid played great for a rookie.  He put up big numbers, but he had a ridiculous number of attempts and pretty low overall efficiency.  Still though, for a rookie, damn good.

had to throw, bad team, 26th ranked defense, average , at best, running game, swiss cheese offensive line. had to put bad team on his back, 7- 4th qtr comebacks, 11-5 record. you mention ridiclous number of attempts, and you mention that to account for him breaking yardage record. but that is a testament to his greatness. had to throw, no running game, most games playing from behind,  and his throws were the fourth longest in the league. i think his total yards throwing were the least impressive of his accomplishments, he's a winner and a leader, to say nothing of his physical skills. those who focus on lucks attempts, qbr, completion pct, etc, are not seeing what he accomplished, and are not seeing all that he brings to the table. that said, at least you are giving him some props. good job!

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Razeyfingers    1,005

to say denver's offense had nothing before manning got there is quite an overstatement. very good skill position players and a very good offensive line. manning deserves a lot of credit for what he accomplished at his age, coming after four neck surgeries, but to rank him over rodgers is a joke. rodgers has been sacked more than any qb over last four years and has no running game, yet he is without doubt the best there is.

 

How long has Rodgers been in that system though? Denver cut Mcgahee this year if that indicates what they thought of his value. Thomas was coming off surgery, Decker was his main guy. Yeah the o-line was great but its literally the one thing that Denver couldnt do without. Manning coming off of neck surgery, would never have come to Denver otherwise anyways. 

 

Rodgers is of course a great quarterback. He lit everyone up and did his champ thing for sure. Im just sayin, the people who voted werent using any consistent criteria that makes sense. If Im going to justify someone being #2 at least let it be the greatest QB who has ever played the game. . .who managed to still show why he is thought of that way.

 

In boxing they use to say "youve got to beat the champ to take the belt not just go toe to toe and edge him out." Idk, its an old saying maybe. Whatevs Im not crying for Rodgers when guys were obviously snubbed and robbed AALLL up and down our roster.

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