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NC on the verge of passing the worst voter suppression bill the nation has ever seen

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Voting in North Carolina may soon change, much in the same way a wrecking ball changes a building.

 

The highly-conservative North Carolina legislature just released a new voter suppression bill that would enact not just voter ID, but a host of other new initiatives designed to make it more difficult to vote. A significant roadblock to the legislation was removed last month when the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, making it easier for states with a history of racial discrimination like North Carolina to enact new voter suppression laws.

The Senate will consider substituted language for HB 589 on Tuesday afternoon. Among the dozens of changes, these are the most onerous for North Carolina voters:

  • Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.
  • Eliminating same-day voter registration, which allowed residents to register at the polls.
  • Cutting early voting by a full week.
  • Increasing the influence of money in elections by raising the maximum campaign contribution to $5,000 and increasing the limit every two years.
  • Making it easier for voter suppression groups like True The Vote to challenge any voterwho they think may be ineligible by requiring that challengers simply be registered in the same county, rather than precinct, of those they challenge.
  • Vastly increasing the number of “poll observers” and increasing what they’re permitted to do. In 2012, ThinkProgress caught the Romney campaign training such poll observers using highly misleading information.
  • Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building.
  • Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters.
  • Prohibiting some types of paid voter registration drives, which tend to register poor and minority citizens.
  • Dismantling three state public financing programs, including the landmark program that funded judicial elections.
  • Weakening disclosure requirements for outside spending groups.
  • Preventing counties from extending polling hours in the event of long lines or other extraordinary circumstances and making it more difficult for them to accommodate elderly or disabled voters with satellite polling sites at nursing homes, for instance.

 

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/23/2340941/nc-voter-suppression/?mobile=nc

 

Yep, NC is already worse than SC and our elections will resemble something of what Florida has. Preventing Counties from extending polling hours and cutting early voting by a FULL week is just criminal

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it's to keep the dumbocrats from bussing homeless people in and paying them with a tallboy to vote 50 times

 

i saw it in this here james o'keefe video

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Thinkprogress...lol

 

No agenda there.

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Let's look at these one at a time...

 

  • Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.  I have no problem with this at all. 
  • Eliminating same-day voter registration, which allowed residents to register at the polls.  There are reasons against same day registrations.  Democrats ignore them, but there's no way for them to validate/check on whether the voter is valid or not for a particular precinct cannot realistically be done same day.
  • Cutting early voting by a full week.  Can you tell everyone when early voting began in NC?
  • Increasing the influence of money in elections by raising the maximum campaign contribution to $5,000 and increasing the limit every two years. I don't see the big deal as long as everything is open and transparent.  Voters will judge people based on that information.
  • Making it easier for voter suppression groups like True The Vote to challenge any voterwho they think may be ineligible by requiring that challengers simply be registered in the same county, rather than precinct, of those they challenge.  So.  That can "legally" be done now by poll watchers.  I love how ThinkProgress labels them as a voter suppression group when their goal is to ensure 1 legal voter=1 vote. 
  • Vastly increasing the number of “poll observers” and increasing what they’re permitted to do. In 2012, ThinkProgress caught the Romney campaign training such poll observers using highly misleading information. LOL...completely joke of a statement to make.  Misleading is what THIS is.  Is it true that some poll watchers used by republicans are sometimes wrong?  Yes.  But I don't see ThinkProgress showing much concern when poll watchers are kicked out of Philly wards even though they have every right to be there. 
  • Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building.  Wow...imagine that.  Voter education.  TP wants voter ignorance.  Hardly an issue in NC where the problem is the voting location vs. the ballot they should receive.  More voter identification and authorization would minimize these sorts of issues. 
  • Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters. Indifferent
  • Prohibiting some types of paid voter registration drives, which tend to register poor and minority citizens.  Absolutely.  This is a sham and it should be a civic duty.  Not a system of fraud and causing undue burden on our election offices.  Lots of times a large number of registrations are turned in at the very last minute knowing that the offices cannot possibly handle the workload of confirming and ensuring the voter's status and appropriate precinct.  Let alone the BS registrants that are put in.
  • Dismantling three state public financing programs, including the landmark program that funded judicial elections.  Indifferent, no one is fooled by this anymore.
  • Weakening disclosure requirements for outside spending groups.  I'd like to see this legislation.
  • Preventing counties from extending polling hours in the event of long lines or other extraordinary circumstances and making it more difficult for them to accommodate elderly or disabled voters with satellite polling sites at nursing homes, for instance. I have never liked the power a judge has to extend voting times for this precinct over that.  As long as you are IN line at the time of closing, you get to vote.  Who cares about the length of the line. 

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I might pick jury duty over voting.

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Fwiw, while I don't care about the voter id law, limiting early voting is dumb.

 

That being said, if someone actually said this was the worst voter suppression law the nation has ever seen, then that person's knowledge of history must be limited to the last few years.

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In 6 months we've lost 20 years of progression in NC.   These are obvious changes to prevent a large portion of democrats from voting or making it much harder.  Once again it's becoming the land of the rednecks.

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THE WORST THIS NATION HAS EVER SEEN!!!!!

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Let's look at these one at a time...

 

  • Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.  I have no problem with this at all. 
  • Eliminating same-day voter registration, which allowed residents to register at the polls.  There are reasons against same day registrations.  Democrats ignore them, but there's no way for them to validate/check on whether the voter is valid or not for a particular precinct cannot realistically be done same day.
  • Cutting early voting by a full week.  Can you tell everyone when early voting began in NC?
  • Increasing the influence of money in elections by raising the maximum campaign contribution to $5,000 and increasing the limit every two years. I don't see the big deal as long as everything is open and transparent.  Voters will judge people based on that information.
  • Making it easier for voter suppression groups like True The Vote to challenge any voterwho they think may be ineligible by requiring that challengers simply be registered in the same county, rather than precinct, of those they challenge.  So.  That can "legally" be done now by poll watchers.  I love how ThinkProgress labels them as a voter suppression group when their goal is to ensure 1 legal voter=1 vote. 
  • Vastly increasing the number of “poll observers” and increasing what they’re permitted to do. In 2012, ThinkProgress caught the Romney campaign training such poll observers using highly misleading information. LOL...completely joke of a statement to make.  Misleading is what THIS is.  Is it true that some poll watchers used by republicans are sometimes wrong?  Yes.  But I don't see ThinkProgress showing much concern when poll watchers are kicked out of Philly wards even though they have every right to be there. 
  • Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building.  Wow...imagine that.  Voter education.  TP wants voter ignorance.  Hardly an issue in NC where the problem is the voting location vs. the ballot they should receive.  More voter identification and authorization would minimize these sorts of issues. 
  • Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters. Indifferent
  • Prohibiting some types of paid voter registration drives, which tend to register poor and minority citizens.  Absolutely.  This is a sham and it should be a civic duty.  Not a system of fraud and causing undue burden on our election offices.  Lots of times a large number of registrations are turned in at the very last minute knowing that the offices cannot possibly handle the workload of confirming and ensuring the voter's status and appropriate precinct.  Let alone the BS registrants that are put in.
  • Dismantling three state public financing programs, including the landmark program that funded judicial elections.  Indifferent, no one is fooled by this anymore.
  • Weakening disclosure requirements for outside spending groups.  I'd like to see this legislation.
  • Preventing counties from extending polling hours in the event of long lines or other extraordinary circumstances and making it more difficult for them to accommodate elderly or disabled voters with satellite polling sites at nursing homes, for instance. I have never liked the power a judge has to extend voting times for this precinct over that.  As long as you are IN line at the time of closing, you get to vote.  Who cares about the length of the line. 

 

 

So you are cool with a program that will cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars on a problem that doesn't really exist?

 

Never, talk about wasteful spending again if you support this.  kthx
 

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So you are cool with a program that will cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars on a problem that doesn't really exist?

 

Never, talk about wasteful spending again if you support this.  kthx
 

 

TENS OF MILLIONS!!!!!

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Where was the part where Klan members get to work polling places with billy clubs?

Only in Philly? And a different hate group? Oh, Okay
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TENS OF MILLIONS!!!!!

 

Yep.  Of taxpayer money.  On something that doesn't exist.

 

I'll ask you again, are you now okay with spending taxpayer money on things that are not real issues?

 

As a conservative I know that you aren't which is why you surely don't support this.

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How much is your vote worth. 

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How much is your vote worth. 

 

So yes you agree with the spending on something that isn't really an issue?  That is cool, just never talk about frivolous spending again. 

 

It is pretty simple.  If you support this, don't ever talk about frivolous spending issues again, if you don't support it I admire you for sticking to your beliefs as a conservative.

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How easy do you repubs think it is to get an ID in Hyde County and Washington County where they don't have DMV offices?  Especially for the poor and elderly?

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So yes you agree with the spending on something that isn't really an issue?  That is cool, just never talk about frivolous spending again. 

 

It is pretty simple.  If you support this, don't ever talk about frivolous spending issues again, if you don't support it I admire you for sticking to your beliefs as a conservative.

 

You didn't answer my question. 

 

I don't see how guaranteeing one person=one legal vote is something that should be described as frivolous.  There are some cost savings here as well.  Reducing the early voting by a week.  More controls on registrations so that less personnel are needed.  Eliminating same-day voter registration.  Removing pre-registration persons from going to high schools. 

 

So I don't simply accept the premise of your argument.  Sorry.

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How easy do you repubs think it is to get an ID in Hyde County and Washington County where they don't have DMV offices?  Especially for the poor and elderly?

 

No social services rep assigned?  Think.

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You didn't answer my question. 

 

I don't see how guaranteeing one person=one legal vote is something that should be described as frivolous.  There are some cost savings here as well.  Reducing the early voting by a week.  More controls on registrations so that less personnel are needed.  Eliminating same-day voter registration.  Removing pre-registration persons from going to high schools. 

 

So I don't simply accept the premise of your argument.  Sorry.

 

The spending is in the budget they just passed so you better hurry up and tell them it isn't actually going to cost that much.

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The spending is in the budget they just passed so you better hurry up and tell them it isn't actually going to cost that much.

 

I know...TENS OF MILLIONS!!!!

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Oh, and my vote should be worth the same as minorities and less fortunate people.  Unfortunately, that will no longer be the case. 

 

Quit defending this as a validation of legal voting.  SEVERAL key republicans have flat out said both privately and publicly that this is about suppressing voter turnout.  Specifically Democratics voters turnout.

 

The mental gymnastics you are having to go through to justify disenfranchising 600,000 voters is laughable.

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Republicans are all for spending if it was voted and passed by their party.

 

They are obviously more concerned at spending money to ensure "one person=one vote" than wanting universal healthcare to succeed.  Typical.   The real reason this passed is clear as day and you just have to look at who it affects.  There is just no defending that.

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I know...TENS OF MILLIONS!!!!

 

I know it seems small, but food stamps (you know the thing that helps feed people) is just 1.5% of the federal budget, yet it causes you guys to lose your fugging minds.

 

Again, if you support the bill, don't talk about careless spending, if you don't kudos for you to sticking to your conservatism.

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Oh, and my vote should be worth the same as minorities and less fortunate people.  Unfortunately, that will no longer be the case. 

 

Quit defending this as a validation of legal voting.  SEVERAL key republicans have flat out said both privately and publicly that this is about suppressing voter turnout.  Specifically Democratics voters turnout.

 

The mental gymnastics you are having to go through to justify disenfranchising 600,000 voters is laughable.

 

Georgia and Indiana had similar laws in place prior to the 2012 elections.  I didn't hear much gnashing of teeth about it. 

 

600,000 LESS VOTERS!!!  TENS OF MILLIONS!!!  WORST VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS OUR NATION HAS EVER SEEEEEEENNNNN!!!!

 

In case you haven't noticed, I'm making fun of you guys and your Chicken Little comments regarding how this is going to be the end of democracy as we know it. 

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Republicans are all for spending if it was voted and passed by their party.

 

They are obviously more concerned at spending money to ensure "one person=one vote" than wanting universal healthcare to succeed.  Typical.   The real reason this passed is clear as day and you just have to look at who it affects.  There is just no defending that.

 

Pretty sure it affects everyone, but if you're speaking to certain demographics that happen to not have ID.  Have you taken the time to study what's accepted as ID and what the state will do to provide it?

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