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Lafell isn't a problem. He is a productive player. The problem is once we get a good player at one position on the field we feel satisfied that's enough... See Smitty. We rely way too heavily on a few key players, and in the past we neglected the talent base around them as a result.

I agree in the past.

But, watching Gettlemen bring in Ginn/Hixon and draft Barner....I think those days are over.

This WR corp is better than most are giving credit.

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By the way, Montsta, when I did those number, I didn't count tight ends or running backs... I only counted (on each team) the 2nd best WR.

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I agree in the past.

But, watching Gettlemen bring in Ginn/Hixon and draft Barner....I think those days are over.

This WR corp is better than most are giving credit.

No doubt, this is the deepest talent base I remember having in many, many years... but, I'm just saying Gettleman is kind of putting the cart before the horse if he hasn't looked at our personnel philosophies from Cam's first two years and prior.

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Unlike the myth of Gettis, we know what we have in LaFell. I don't get why people are always trying to make him out to be more than he is. He has shown us what he is: a receiver that can make some great plays at times, but also one that disappears for games at a time. Now I do give credence to the argument that perhaps he is being used in an incorrect manner, but being that we still seem to be missing something at WR, LaFell is going to be in the same position.

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LaFell isn't a Victor Cruz level WR-2, but he's certainly good enough given the attention Smith and Olsen get. I don't get the LaFell hate- I think he's pregressed very nicely from his rookie season until now.

 

Agree with the comments about Smith in the slot, several of us on here have been wondering why they haven't done that WAY more in the past. Seems like a huge advantage for Smith inside.

 

Been confused by this for years...

 

He's built to be a slot. No way that man should be out wide. It's a testament to his competitive spirit that he's done it at such  a high level for this long.

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Panthers started moving Smith into the slot back when Jake was here....just never in a full time role.

Smith's height in a vacuum suggests he should be a slot WR.....not his play at the position. He can play every spot. Age just means he can't take the top of a D.

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I'd be interested to see LaFell's numbers vs. the avg. numbers for #2 wideouts across the league. I'd like to do the same for Olsen's #'s against TE1 averages across the league.

It seems like people think Isaac Bruce/Torry Holt, Larry Fitz/Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith/Muhsin Muhammed receiver combinations are commonplace when that's simply not true. I could be wrong, but am too lazy to look up the numbers that would either strengthen or crumble my argument.

Somebody here did that I believe. That exact research your talking about I've read it. Lafell has similar numbers. It's either more yards and less TDs or more TD's and less yards something like that.

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Everyone needs to keep expectations in check.

 

expectations are a winning season. not 8-8, but a winning season.

 

not sure how that shouldn't be the expectation. i don't see anyone expecting much more than that.

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expectations are a winning season. not 8-8, but a winning season.

 

not sure how that shouldn't be the expectation. i don't see anyone expecting much more than that.

 

I'm expecting a superbowl.

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expectations are a winning season. not 8-8, but a winning season.

 

not sure how that shouldn't be the expectation. i don't see anyone expecting much more than that.

 

There are plenty of people thinking playoffs, or bust. I think that the playoffs are attainable, but in many ways I think that this is going to be determined by our offensive talent, or lack thereof. If Hixon and Ginn work out, then I believe we will, but if they don't I can easily see an 8-8 season.  Our schedule, alone, should make people pause before they create some type of mental litmus test---perhaps bogus litmus test---based on emotion rather than the reality of the situation.   

 

We went defense heavy this year, so of course we are expecting a marked improvemnt, particularly against the run, but it's still up in the air as to whether or not recievers who weren't even legitimate starting-caliber type wideouts can come here, transition, and become at the very least a temporary Band-Aid that will propel Cam and the team to a winning season or otherwise. 

 

All that being said, I think that we can have a winning season, but if they don't it may not be a matter of nuking the team, it may just be a matter of finally drafting more gamebeaking weapons for Cam.

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