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#76 jungleking

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 08:40 PM

Stop it with the facts! We needs him in Carolina!!!

Some very good points, but we have a chance to buy low on a talented player who possesses serious talent and also fits into Carolina's system better than nearly any other quarterback in the league. He'd get a chance on a team with a coach that the players love, and he'd have no pressure. If he can rehabilitate his confidence as Cam's backup, he can be a great asset. I think it's pretty clear that we won't be signing him, but the idea isn't without merit.

 



#77 Kevin Greene

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 09:39 PM

He's not exactly hurting for money in his current job.

Peter King asked him about it. You can see his answer here.

Shaw has said elsewhere that he plans to stay at Stanford until his kids graduate, and pointed out that he has a two year old.

He's not coming here, or anywhere else in the NFL, anytime soon (if ever).

 

A Coach thinking he's going to be in his current job 20 plus years, probably fugging with whoever asked the question. (Some questions deserve ridicule. I mean it is Peter King.) Doesn't matter though, the BofA Miser wouldn't pay him anyway.

So if the path for College Coaches is spoiled and you don't like "Retreads" guess the only path is an NFL Coordinator job to NFL Head Coach.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:57 AM

A Coach thinking he's going to be in his current job 20 plus years, probably fugging with whoever asked the question. (Some questions deserve ridicule. I mean it is Peter King.) Doesn't matter though, the BofA Miser wouldn't pay him anyway.

So if the path for College Coaches is spoiled and you don't like "Retreads" guess the only path is an NFL Coordinator job to NFL Head Coach.

 

It's definitely the path that's gotten the most jobs,

 

Eighteen of the league's current head coaches list their last job as NFL coordinators (10 defensive, 7 offensive, and 1 special teams).  Two others were NFL position coaches, and you've got Trestman, whose last job was as a CFL coach but who has extensive experience as a pro offensive coordinator.

 

Of the seven retread coaches currently employed, four of them were coordinators before they got their first head coaching gig (3 defense, 1 offense) and two were position coaches.  Coughlin was a college coach, but had coached at the pro level previously.

 

As of right now, five coaches were promoted from college jobs, but Carroll is an NFL retread and all but one (Chip Kelly) have previously coached in the NFL.

 

So yeah: This is where the majority of owners and GMs look for head coaches.  It's not just the Panthers.



#79 Kevin Greene

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:58 AM

It's definitely the path that's gotten the most jobs,

 

 

 

 

Of course if you want to win, you want a Retread.

 

http://www.carolinah...-hc/?hl=retread

 

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:36 AM

Of course if you want to win, you want a Retread.

 

http://www.carolinah...-hc/?hl=retread

 

;)

 

As long as it's someone who's never won a Super Bowl before seeing as none of them who win with one team ever win with a new one.

 

Over the past ten years, it's been half and half.  Five of ten have been won by coordinators / position coaches.  The other five have been won primarily by two guys, Belichick and Coughlin (one appearance by Dungy).
 



#81 Kevin Greene

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:00 AM

 

Over the past ten years, it's been half and half.  Five of ten have been won by coordinators / position coaches.  The other five have been won primarily by two guys, Belichick and Coughlin (one appearance by Dungy).
 

 

I think it's like 10 of the last 16 have been retreads. Pretty good track record in the real NFL Post Salary Cap when Debartelo couldn't buy Championships in Frisco.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:23 AM

I think it's like 10 of the last 16 have been retreads. Pretty good track record in the real NFL Post Salary Cap when Debartelo couldn't buy Championships in Frisco.

 

Salary cap started in 1994.  Tracking from 1994 to 2013, it's been ten wins by retreads, with half of these being Coughlin and Belichick.  Of the others, only Mike Shanahan won more than once (and he's not doing  that great in DC right now).

 

In the other ten games, you have two won by college coaches (Johnson and Switzer) in the early days before the cap really started to bite.  The remaining eight, all coordinators, who've had better luck more recently, winning four of the last five (Coughlin had one in there).



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:29 AM

Salary cap started in 1994.  Tracking from 1994 to 2013, it's been ten wins by retreads, with half of these being Coughlin and Belichick.  Of the others, only Mike Shanahan won more than once (and he's not doing  that great in DC right now).

 

In the other ten games, you have two won by college coaches (Johnson and Switzer) in the early days before the cap really started to bite.  The remaining eight, all coordinators, who've had better luck more recently, winning four of the last five (Coughlin had one in there).

 

Yes it took a couple years for the Dallas and Frisco loaded rosters to water down post Salary Cap.

But neither organization has on a Lombardi since the 95 season.

Again, 10 of the last 16 years on a true level playing field: Retreads.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:38 AM

Yes it took a couple years for the Dallas and Frisco loaded rosters to water down post Salary Cap.

But neither organization has on a Lombardi since the 95 season.

Again, 10 of the last 16 years on a true level playing field: Retreads.

 

With seven of those ten being three guys: Belichick, Coughlin and Shanahan.

 

The early 2000s were all Belichick. Since then, five of the last eight were won by coordinators, two by Coughlin and one by Dungy.

 

Included in that recent list is a former defensive coordinator named Bill Cowher, a coach hired by an organization that doesn't look at retreads when they do coaching searches.
 



#85 Kevin Greene

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:40 AM

Dude, Coughlin and Dungy are retreads.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:42 AM

Dude, Coughlin and Dungy are retreads.

 

Both noted.  They won the three out of the last eight that weren't won by coordinators.
 



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:49 AM

Sweet, now we're only going back 8. bth_Dies_Laughing_emoticon.gif

How about the 7 of 8 they won before that?

Almost kickoff time for early games, catch ya later.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:49 AM

Schiano is a whole bag of dicks.  I hope he stays around so we can have a chance to beat the shat out of that puffed up clown twice a year, every year  




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