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Upon further review, we should go o line in 1st round instead of receiver

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People dont seem to realize the Niners have had that offense line for a WHILE. 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.  And they didnt become relevant until they got a QB AND RECEIVERS. Skill positions matter.

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They had that exact OL earlier this season, they struggled.  They gave up SIX sacks to us.  

 

That was when they pretty much only had Boldin.

Then Davis got healthy, Crabtree and Manningham came back then they were a whole different team.  They were like us now (only Smitty) only had Boldin (they already were so deep they traded away their 1st round WR from years years prior).  They got weapons back (like we are asking in the draft.  the result.........................well you tell me the difference in the 9ers we played earlier this season to now.  Could Blitz ol Kaep this game, couldnt load up the box to stop Gore.  

Gore ends up having a field day, Kaep when rushed only has pick who to throw to when scrambling like Cam.  Cam when scrambling well has to pretend to play sandlot ball and wait forever for someone to get open.

People dont seem to realize the Niners have had that offense line for a WHILE. 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.  And they didnt become relevant until they got a QB AND RECEIVERS. Skill positions matter.

 

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While we have a tremendous need at wide receiver, we also have a tremendous need at offensive line. Let me remind you we played this year with Jordan Gross (contemplating retirement), Travelle Wharton (already retired once), Nate Chandler (practice squad defensive tackle), and Byron Bell (the worst starting o lineman in the league).

 

The need at receiver is apparent with 2 of our top 3 receivers entering free agency and our #1 turning 35 before the 2014 season. We should draft a receiver, possibly in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds, but 1st round receivers just don't have enough value. They don't translate into success on the field.

 

2013 1st round receivers:

Tavon Austin

DeAndre Hopkins

Cordarrelle Patterson

 

2012:

Justin Blackmon

Kendall Wright

Michael Floyd

AJ Jenkins

 

2011:

AJ Green

Julio Jones

Jonathan Baldwin

 

2010:

Demaryius Thomas

Dez Bryant

 

2009:

Darrius Heyward-Bey

Michael Crabtree

Jeremy Maclin

Percy Harvin

Hakeem Nicks

Kenny Britt

 

Look at that list and tell me how many receivers you see that are both major contributors and on Super Bowl caliber teams? There's Demaryius Thomas (arguably a byproduct of Peyton Manning) and Michael Crabtree. The rests are busts or are on teams on a downward trajectory. 

 

Meanwhile, of the four teams left in contention, there are EIGHT players that were selected to the Pro Bowl either this year or last year. 5 were drafted in the 1st round, 2 in the 2nd, 1 in the 3rd. Curious how many Pro Bowl receivers there are? ONE amongst the 4 teams: Demaryius Thomas and who knows what he is without Peyton Manning. Seattle's best receiver this year has been Golden Tate; New England's has been Julian Edelman.

 

So we should go o line like the best teams do. Having a better offensive line will allow Cam more time on the deep balls and will open back up running lanes for the backs. I like Amini Silatolu and Garry Williams, but they're not at the level of player we need to rebuild this thing.

 

Thoughts?

To make it fair you could have listed the OT selected as well. And there is no correlation to the success of a player and whether they're in the playoffs. Calving Johnson is not the playoffs.

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Cam isn't going to get the ball to a "star" WR if he's running for his life or flat on his ass.  OL it is.

 

I will be shocked if Gman picks anything but the BPA Olineman in round 1.

He'll get the ball to them the same way he got the ball to the non "star" WR this year. We have a good OL. We're picking too high to find that much of a difference maker at OL. Most likely an OT at 28 is going to be on the bench for at least a year.

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Benjamin, Watkins and Evans will all be gone by the time we pick

I doubt 4 WRs will be selected before we pick. Don't forget Lee. Teams are obsessed with OT and DE/DT early in the draft.

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I love me an OT in the 1st round this year compared to last year when I was opposed to taking one. But, I've said this during the offseason last year and I'll say it again. Go look at the Giants draft history:

 

excluding this past draft (2013:Pugh), since Gettleman days as being a Pro Personnel Director for the Giants (1999) the NYG has only drafted a total of "2" OL in the high rounds (both in the 2nd). And, they were Luke Petitgout (1999) and William Beatty (2009).

 

New York has always solved their OL issues through FA. Some of the recent names were: Kevin Boothe, Sean Locklear, Stacy Andrews, David Baas.

 

 

Gettleman has shown that he is willing to follow the steps he was taught in NY of how to build a Championship team, i.e. having a dominated defense that can get after the QB. I think he will stay true to his philosophy. I believe Gettleman will address the OL position through FA once again this upcoming season. Hopefully: Michael Oher or Rodger Saffold.

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We're under the cap right now. Add in Dwill and Godfrey's as cuts and it should free up some more money for Gman to work with.

 

I should have been more specific. What I meant was, if we tag and trade or sign and trade Hardy, doesn't part/all of his bonus count towards the Panthers' cap number, even after a trade?

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I love me an OT in the 1st round this year compared to last year when I was opposed to taking one. But, I've said this during the offseason last year and I'll say it again. Go look at the Giants draft history:

excluding this past draft (2013:Pugh), since Gettleman days as being a Pro Personnel Director for the Giants (1999) the NYG has only drafted a total of "2" OL in the high rounds (both in the 2nd). And, they were Luke Petitgout (1999) and William Beatty (2009).

New York has always solved their OL issues through FA. Some of the recent names were: Kevin Boothe, Sean Locklear, Stacy Andrews, David Baas.


Gettleman has shown that he is willing to follow the steps he was taught in NY of how to build a Championship team, i.e. having a dominated defense that can get after the QB. I think he will stay true to his philosophy. I believe Gettleman will address the OL position through FA once again this upcoming season. Hopefully: Michael Oher or Rodger Saffold.


But not he's exclusively running the show, he might wanna do it his own way. Plus that press conference he was harping on getting more lineman

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My preference is still to go free agent for O-Line and use the early draft picks for receivers.

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I should have been more specific. What I meant was, if we tag and trade or sign and trade Hardy, doesn't part/all of his bonus count towards the Panthers' cap number, even after a trade?

 

I dont believe so.

 

If we are going to trade Hardy that would mean that a team is willing to give Hardy a long term contract. The contract would have to be made out before we even tag and trade him.

 

Also, I dont see why we would sign the guy and then turn around and trade him.

 

Right now, it'll most likely be a tag and trade, or Hardy is walking as a free man. I dont see Gettleman tagging Hardy and taking a 12mil cap hit for one year.

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My preference is still to go free agent for O-Line and use the early draft picks for receivers.


Id rather the other way around honestly

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But not he's exclusively running the show, he might wanna do it his own way. Plus that press conference he was harping on getting more lineman

 

Yea, but I just don't see it happening anymore after guys like Erving, Ogbuehi, and Collins are returned back to school. Unless Gettleman falls in love with some other guys I dont see it happening. Let's remember that atm we have only "one" receiver on the team and that's 89. I should also include that 89 is close to being done.

 

Gettleman preached about having these "touchdown" guys. Where are they? Gettleman will go after one in the first two rounds.

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Id rather the other way around honestly

 

Free agent wide receivers have an unfortunate tendency to not be as good as they were at their last job.  There are exceptions, but teams have tended to have more success with receivers they develop themselves (QB chemistry, etc).

 

On the flipside, I've heard more than one GM say that outside of the top one or two guys in the draft, it's tough to tell which linemen will work out.  That's why he tended to pick late, wait to see who looked good on another team and go after them.

 

Guess we'll see.
 

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Free agent wide receivers have an unfortunate tendency to not be as good as they were at their last job. There are exceptions, but teams have tended to have more success with receivers they develop themselves (QB chemistry, etc).

On the flipside, I've heard more than one GM say that outside of the top one or two guys in the draft, it's tough to tell which linemen will work out. That's why he tended to pick late, wait to see who looked good on another team and go after them.

Guess we'll see.


Either way both positions need big upgrades

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Either way both positions need big upgrades

 

Plus cornerback.

 

Potentially others depending on who signs and who doesn't.
 

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Plus cornerback.

Potentially others depending on who signs and who doesn't.


Big offseason ahead of us

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I don't mind going corner in rounds 3-7, CB is a very difficult position to project in the league (plus Rivera has hinted in the past he doesn't put a whole lot of emphasis on drafting a CB high)

 

 

still we HAVE to get Cam a playmaker at receiver. for too long we have depended on Smitty to do it all. We could have an AMAZING offense with Smitty as a #2, Ginn as a #3 and a young stud at #1, combine that with Olsen, Tolbert and Stewey if not Williams too ---that's a helluva offense

 

go OT at some point in the draft early (rounds 1-3) but you MUST go receiver early. must. 

 

a journeyman OT is better than putting off receiver for yet ANOTHER year

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Furthermore, every position has bust potential. Just bc you draft an OT in round 1 doesn't guarantee he is a stud. See: Jonathan Martin.

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Furthermore, every position has bust potential. Just bc you draft an OT in round 1 doesn't guarantee he is a stud. See: Jonathan Martin.


Martin was a second round pick, but I see what your saying
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Don't review stuff. It's reviewing that screws things up. We're going WR

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Martin was a second round pick, but I see what your saying

 

 

good catch

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People dont seem to realize the Niners have had that offense line for a WHILE. 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.  And they didnt become relevant until they got a QB AND RECEIVERS. Skill positions matter.

 

No, they got relevant when they signed Harbaugh. The talent has been there for a while. All of their big time players currently on the roster were there pre-Harbaugh with the exceptions of Aldon Smith and Boldin.

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