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#31 Kral

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 03:40 PM

We are in the quadrant with the worst teams.  I would wager we do not make the playoffs again under Shula.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 04:04 PM

We are in the quadrant with the worst teams.  I would wager we do not make the playoffs again under Shula.

 

 

I will stick my neck out and agree.

 

Doubt the D stays this good, but the O should improve some.

 

We were really lucky this season when it came to injuries.  Outside of Amini, did we lose a major piece on the team this year?



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 05:57 PM

Seems to me its more about red zone td, not total scoring efficiency.
I would bet teams outside the top 10 on d are the ones winning the super bowl the last few years.

So with that trend and Gettleman coming from the giants he will get 2 new wrs next year.
Nicks comes home and one more rock solid wr.
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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:05 PM

Broncos were on another planet



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:07 PM

So with that trend and Gettleman coming from the giants he will get 2 new wrs next year.
Nicks comes home and one more rock solid wr.

 

Where will we be getting the cap space from to accomplish this?

 

He's going to be sought after, and he wants to get paid, as he publicly declared himself as one of the best receivers in the NFL in the midst of the Giants losing season. He's going to get in the 40-60 million range, there is virtually no doubt. I don't see Gettleman doing this.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:51 PM

Yikes... just once I want to have a top rated offense and defense in the same season. 

 

In 2011 we were one of the top ranked offenses and this year we were 2nd in defense. 

 

Would be nice to run on all 8 cylinders just once! 

 

Next year.

 

We are going to get some weapons in the Draft, probably some linemen too.

 

I expect us to be a true contender next year that no one will want to play.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:04 PM

So can anyone make a graph and do ratios of drives to number of point, drivers to number of yards, and 3rd down conversions percentages for all 32 teams.

This will be a real measure if our offensive performance. You all who are in business must know that these numbers are all relative and ultimately do not indicate success or failure. I'd expect our ratios to be similar to those of the other teams.

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:05 PM

Where will we be getting the cap space from to accomplish this?

He's going to be sought after, and he wants to get paid, as he publicly declared himself as one of the best receivers in the NFL in the midst of the Giants losing season. He's going to get in the 40-60 million range, there is virtually no doubt. I don't see Gettleman doing this.


Cut Godfrey. That's a start. I seriously doubt Nicks will get that money because of prior injuries. Teams will look at the Percy Harvin situation and that should add some padding.

#39 MedellinHeel

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:39 PM

Sure, you should strive for a top 10 offense. The problem is having an offense that can consistently go out and score in every 5 minutes put your defense in danger. Thats what happened the first two years under Chud.

 

More TDs = Defense on the field = Tired = Opponents scoring a lot of TDs

 

I rather keep the game close knowing that our defense are going to be able to give us a win. Add two receivers to this Shula's offense and you could really see some big changes.

 

No one said you have to score in 5 minutes. There is more than one way to move the chains and score points. 

 

Also I dont really the buy the more TD = opponents scoring a lot of TD's. 

 

If your defense is getting 3 and outs like it should, than it will not get tired. ie We score in 4 plays. Defense gets a 3 and out. We score again in 4 plays. Defense allows 1-2 first downs then gets a 3 and out. We score again in 7 plays. The other team is already down 21 points by the end of the 1st quarter and your defense isnt tired because they essentially shut down the offense. 

 

This whole if you have a great offense your defense will not be good is a myth. It comes from the fact that generally teams with great offenses dont have great defenses (philosophy, play callers and personnel) and teams with great defenses generally dont have great offenses (philosophy, play calling and personnel) 

 

Keeping the game close makes no sense as it allows the other team a greater chance of pulling out the win late. Every team should strive to blow out the opposing team and you dont blow out the opposing team by playing some ball control conservative O. 

 

Only inferior teams should do that for the sole purpose of burning clock and keeping the ball out of the better team's hand. 



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:43 PM

This is becoming a fundamental football philosophy argument.

I have to agree that T.O.P. greatly increases defensive production.

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 08:27 PM

This is becoming a fundamental football philosophy argument.

I have to agree that T.O.P. greatly increases defensive production.

 

Thats by default as you are limiting the time the ball is in the other teams hands. 

 

Only inferior teams that can not stop the other team should employ such strategy or tactics. 

 

Football is simple in theory. Score, get a 3 and out, score, get a 3 and out etc. You will not do the above without an elite O and elite D. 



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 08:57 PM

Yikes... just once I want to have a top rated offense and defense in the same season. 

 

In 2011 we were one of the top ranked offenses and this year we were 2nd in defense. 

 

Would be nice to run on all 8 cylinders just once! 

It is hard to be able to infuse enough talent on both sides of the ball at the same time and still fit under the cap.  Most of the time you are filling holes and trying to do the best you can with what you can afford.  It takes finding a bunch of rookies who can start and have a good eye for reasonably priced free agents. I am optimistic that we can fix the offense this year just like we did the defense.  We aren't that far off and Gettleman should be up for general manager of the year.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:25 PM

I think Cam called his own number on the 4th down.

Could be wrong


Shouldn't have gotten to that point

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:33 PM

Most of us thought that Shula would be a problem, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

Can't bash Shula when your primary receiver is 5'9 35 years old. That's NFL retirement age for most players. Especially a physically intensive position as WR.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:21 PM

Can't bash Shula when your primary receiver is 5'9 35 years old. That's NFL retirement age for most players. Especially a physically intensive position as WR.

 

no one wants to hear about any excuses. 

 

if dook with their team of 1 and two star jv players can have a high powered offense so can we. 




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