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G-man needs to explore Hardy to Raiders and Kill 2 Birds w/ a tag & trade

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Come on now Matt Cassel tag and trade to Chiefs.

 

And certainly we needed another Hardy trade thread.

 

 

You are correct, forgot about that one. Article I read was before that trade occurred though I think.

 

As for the threads, well, better get used to that now, it's gonna be a long offseason.

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Best I can find for when a tag, and trade actually occurred in the NFL, was in 1998, and 2000.

In 1998 it was the Panthers who traded two first rounders to the Redskins for franchise tagged DT Sean Gilbert.

In 2000 it was the Cowboys who traded two first rounders to the Seahawks for franchise tagged WR Joey Galloway.

The Jets and Rams swappef right tackles a few years ago using a sign and trade. When it happened it was noted as a rare occurance.

Its a situation that fans who dont grasp the cap come up with every year.

Its a risky proposal that can backfire and screw you. Technically its not even legal to tag and trade. You have to sign them to a deal that your trade partner will agree to.

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As for the threads, well, better get used to that now, it's gonna be a long offseason.

 

I hear ya, gonna be Peppers all over again.

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What do you mean "wouldn't cost a dime"? In order to do this, we would have to rig up some sort of franchise tag then trade deal, which would immediately accelerate all of the guaranteed money in the franchise tag against our cap as dead money the second that Hardy would be traded.

Just for fun, when the Chiefs tagged Jared Allen in 2008, he was given a 1 year contract worth $8.8 million guaranteed. He was then traded to the Vikings in April for a first and two thirds in the upcoming draft. He then signed a contract with the Vikings worth $750,000 base with a $15.5 million signing bonus. Total cap hit that year to the Vikings was $8 million. Total cap hit to the Chiefs was $0.

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well since hardy would have to agree to the deal, I'm pretty sure he doesnt want to be a sucky ass raider

If he was tagged and agreed to it, then doesn't that mean he's signed a contract? If so, can the team then trade him away for picks/players?

So while he may not want to be a Raider, if he agrees to the tag, the team could then move him there and he'd have to go right?

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If he was tagged and agreed to it, then doesn't that mean he's signed a contract? If so, can the team then trade him away for picks/players?

So while he may not want to be a Raider, if he agrees to the tag, the team could then move him there and he'd have to go right?

Before 2010, yes.

Now, it depends on what kind of tag is used.

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OK, smart guy, you show me where someone else has mentioned Hardy to the Raiders and Moore to the Panthers.  I must have missed it.

Tagging and trading Hardy is something half this board wants to do. Adding in a receiver has been discussed many times and I have had discussions with a few people about how nice a pickup Moore would be. Do you think people only discuss Panther related things on the Huddle?

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Just for fun, when the Chiefs tagged Jared Allen in 2008, he was given a 1 year contract worth $8.8 million guaranteed. He was then traded to the Vikings in April for a first and two thirds in the upcoming draft. He then signed a contract with the Vikings worth $750,000 base with a $15.5 million signing bonus. Total cap hit that year to the Vikings was $8 million. Total cap hit to the Chiefs was $0.

 

Agreed, however, you're forgetting the one thing that makes that argument irrelevant. That was under a different CBA. We can't use that scenario, because the salary rules/franchise tag rules have totally changed.

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Id rather keep Hardy and have a number 1 defense with a young core

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Agreed, however, you're forgetting the one thing that makes that argument irrelevant. That was under a different CBA. We can't use that scenario, because the salary rules/franchise tag rules have totally changed.

Not in regards to who pays the contract. It's just a contract like any other.

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