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G-man needs to explore Hardy to Raiders and Kill 2 Birds w/ a tag & trade


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As for the threads, well, better get used to that now, it's gonna be a long offseason.

 

I hear ya, gonna be Peppers all over again.

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What do you mean "wouldn't cost a dime"? In order to do this, we would have to rig up some sort of franchise tag then trade deal, which would immediately accelerate all of the guaranteed money in the franchise tag against our cap as dead money the second that Hardy would be traded.

Just for fun, when the Chiefs tagged Jared Allen in 2008, he was given a 1 year contract worth $8.8 million guaranteed. He was then traded to the Vikings in April for a first and two thirds in the upcoming draft. He then signed a contract with the Vikings worth $750,000 base with a $15.5 million signing bonus. Total cap hit that year to the Vikings was $8 million. Total cap hit to the Chiefs was $0.

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well since hardy would have to agree to the deal, I'm pretty sure he doesnt want to be a sucky ass raider

If he was tagged and agreed to it, then doesn't that mean he's signed a contract? If so, can the team then trade him away for picks/players?

So while he may not want to be a Raider, if he agrees to the tag, the team could then move him there and he'd have to go right?

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If he was tagged and agreed to it, then doesn't that mean he's signed a contract? If so, can the team then trade him away for picks/players?

So while he may not want to be a Raider, if he agrees to the tag, the team could then move him there and he'd have to go right?

Before 2010, yes.

Now, it depends on what kind of tag is used.

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OK, smart guy, you show me where someone else has mentioned Hardy to the Raiders and Moore to the Panthers.  I must have missed it.

Tagging and trading Hardy is something half this board wants to do. Adding in a receiver has been discussed many times and I have had discussions with a few people about how nice a pickup Moore would be. Do you think people only discuss Panther related things on the Huddle?

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Just for fun, when the Chiefs tagged Jared Allen in 2008, he was given a 1 year contract worth $8.8 million guaranteed. He was then traded to the Vikings in April for a first and two thirds in the upcoming draft. He then signed a contract with the Vikings worth $750,000 base with a $15.5 million signing bonus. Total cap hit that year to the Vikings was $8 million. Total cap hit to the Chiefs was $0.

 

Agreed, however, you're forgetting the one thing that makes that argument irrelevant. That was under a different CBA. We can't use that scenario, because the salary rules/franchise tag rules have totally changed.

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Id rather keep Hardy and have a number 1 defense with a young core

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Agreed, however, you're forgetting the one thing that makes that argument irrelevant. That was under a different CBA. We can't use that scenario, because the salary rules/franchise tag rules have totally changed.

Not in regards to who pays the contract. It's just a contract like any other.

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You guys are jumping the gun here. It's as if Hardy is guaranteed to walk away or trade bait. The fact is we don't what's going on behind closed doors. For all we know Hardy and Gettleman are coming close to an agreement or already have. We'll find out what's important to The Kraken soon -- camaraderie and winning OR money.

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Not in regards to who pays the contract. It's just a contract like any other.

 

You're right, but, a franchise tag is a fully guaranteed contract the minute it is signed.

 

 

 

© If a player subject to a Franchise Player designation accepts the Required Tender, theresulting Player Contract shall be fully guaranteed if the player’s contract is terminated because of lack of comparative skill;

 

So, what's being said is that, even if the player is injured, doesn't play, etc, his contract is still fully guaranteed. When we look at the rules for trading a player:

 

 

What happens if a player is traded or retires? 

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

- Source

 

Given that the franchise tag is seen as a fully guaranteed contract, the new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus (or, in this case, guaranteed money).

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All kinds of talking will be going on behind the scenes at the combine.

 

I do hope that Gman takes a more aggressive, wheelin/dealin approach than Hurney did, who just let guys walk away getting nothing in return.

 

I am thinking a high second this year and a third the next season for Hardy.  Maybe two seconds, maybe

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He gonna be a giant or bronco or bear.

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