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G-man needs to explore Hardy to Raiders and Kill 2 Birds w/ a tag & trade


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You're right, but, a franchise tag is a fully guaranteed contract the minute it is signed.

 

 

 

 

So, what's being said is that, even if the player is injured, doesn't play, etc, his contract is still fully guaranteed. When we look at the rules for trading a player:

 

 

 

 

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

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Given that the franchise tag is seen as a fully guaranteed contract, the new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus (or, in this case, guaranteed money).

It's not a bonus, it's base salary. Only the bonus gets accelerated to the trading team, the receiving team takes on responsibility for the base salary. They can also immediately renegotiate that contract into a long term one. And this is only if it's an exclusive tag. If it's non-exclusive, then the player would sign one of three contracts: the one year franchise offer from current team, or choose a single offer from one other team to counter to their current team who could then replace the franchise offer with an offer to counter what the other team has offered. The player then signs one of those two offers, and then hits the books based on the terms in the offer they accept.

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It's not a bonus, it's base salary. Only the bonus gets accelerated to the trading team, the receiving team takes on responsibility for the base salary. They can also immediately renegotiate that contract into a long term one. And this is only if it's an exclusive tag. If it's non-exclusive, then the player would sign one of three contracts: the one year franchise offer from current team, or choose a single offer from one other team to counter to their current team who could then replace the franchise offer with an offer to counter what the other team has offered. The player then signs one of those two offers, and then hits the books based on the terms in the offer they accept.

In this case, "signing bonus" is the same as "guaranteed money". I'm on my phone now or else id like the paragraph from the CBA that states exactly that.

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Tagging and trading Hardy is something half this board wants to do. Adding in a receiver has been discussed many times and I have had discussions with a few people about how nice a pickup Moore would be. Do you think people only discuss Panther related things on the Huddle?

 

Trading Hardy, yes, but acquiring Moore in a trade with Hardy, no.

 

 

And as far as all you other people who don't want to discuss trade scenarios because it's gonna be a long off-season, then don't open the thread. Simple.

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Best I can find for when a tag, and trade actually occurred in the NFL, was in 1998, and 2000.

 

In 1998 it was the Panthers who traded two first rounders to the Redskins for franchise tagged DT Sean Gilbert.

 

In 2000 it was the Cowboys who traded two first rounders to the Seahawks for franchise tagged WR Joey Galloway.

 

Dammit, do you know how long it took me to erase that from my memory?

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What do you mean "wouldn't cost a dime"? In order to do this, we would have to rig up some sort of franchise tag then trade deal, which would immediately accelerate all of the guaranteed money in the franchise tag against our cap as dead money the second that Hardy would be traded.

 

A non-exclusive franchise tag, from what I understand, would allow us to trade him without any penalty the way I understand it, provided there is no signing bonus.  I could be wrong, but I would think that G-man, Hardy and his agent can come up with something creative that would be beneficial to everyone concerned in the case of a tag and trade scenario.

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Dammit, do you know how long it took me to erase that from my memory?

 

Yeah I know, my apologies.

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It would be nice to get some draft picks for him, gonna be shirty if we just let him walk for nothing m

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If Oakland gave up a first and a 2nd for Palmer they should give 5 firsts for hardy.

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I'd rather trade CJ.

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In this case, "signing bonus" is the same as "guaranteed money". I'm on my phone now or else id like the paragraph from the CBA that states exactly that.

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

Article 10, Section 2, paragraph i

(i) The definition of a “signing bonus” for this Article is the same as that in 
Article 13. The pro rata portion of such signing bonuses includes prorated amounts from 
prior Player Contracts; the Salary Cap acceleration rules for unamortized signing bonus 
amounts do not apply to the calculation of the Franchise and Transition Tenders. 

 

 

 
Article 13, Section 6, subsection iii, paragraph 15 (after outlining all amounts that are considered a "signing bonus")

Notwithstanding the above provisions or anything else in this Agreement, but 
subject to Section 6(d) below, any guaranteed Paragraph 5 Salary in a Player Contract, 
including but not limited to renegotiations or extensions of pre-existing Player Contracts, 
will not be treated as a signing bonus solely on the basis of the guarantee

 

 

A franchise contract is governed by the same rules as any other contract, no special circumstances in regards to payment.

 

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Come on now Matt Cassel tag and trade to Chiefs.

 

And certainly we needed another Hardy trade thread.

 

 

Why are people complaining about hardy threads? It's not like there is much to talk about right now.

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This is not going to happen. 

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