Does Andre Reed getting into the Hall of Fame help Steve Smith's case?
Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:50 PM
Keep pounding 89 and you could vey well get what you should.
And get rid of the media as the determiners of this kind of thing, today's media isn't qualified to make these kind of decisions
Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:36 AM
There wasn't nearly as much of a logjam at the WR position in Andre Reed, Michael Irvin, and Jerry Rice's day in terms of who is an elite receiver and who isn't. Today's passing league has made it very hard to determine and every team wants to argue for their 2000's receiver.
Smitty means a lot to us as fans, but as other people have said in past threads, if Smitty was to get in to the Hall without a ring then there's a lot of other guys that would have a case just as good as his. I don't know whether the Hall wants to open up the receiver position wide enough to allow so many in. In the past, WR HOF'ers have been a pretty tough group to join. Smith needs a ring or two to solidify his argument.
Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:47 AM
I think being 5'9 helps Smitty case more than anything.
For him to put up the stats that he had, they way he dominated his competition in his prime
and as an above poster he was the best wr in the game in 05
all at 5'9
Posted 02 February 2014 - 06:49 AM
Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:22 AM
. To compare, Steve Smith averages 64 catches, 938 yards and 5 touchdowns over a 13-year career, despite having basically two seasons (2001, 2004) wasted and playing on a team that threw the ball less than pretty much every other team.
Don't forget about the wonderful 2010 season
Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:54 AM
What you have to know is that the game of football was very different when Reed played from how it's played today. TE's mostly blocked, no Gonzales or Graham type of TE (Shannon Sharpe changed that). Running backs seldom were thrown to, the fullback was constantly on the field. If anyone was going to cross the middle & catch the ball it was going to be a WR. And most plays had only 1 WR on the field. And Reed was that guy. Never hesitated going across the middle, seldom dropped the ball. Like they said in his introduction, he was one of the toughest players ever. I think he should've been in the HOF before Kelly. Reed was my absolute favorite player while I was growing up. Glad he made it in.
Steve Smith is another tough WR and shouldn't have a problem getting votes to make it in the HOF. Especially if we make it to the Super Bowl again. poo, if Carter can get in (IMO he's a wuss), Smitty can for sure.
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Posted 02 February 2014 - 08:35 AM
Passing era hurts 89. Reed won't have the same competition either.
Posted 02 February 2014 - 11:48 AM
If Steve had a ring we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Posted 02 February 2014 - 10:29 PM
I think the HoF should be about archetypes. Thats my view of what America really reeeeally likes. Americans want to see characters that epitomize a certain archetype. I think 89 is that.
Ask yourself this. . did Smith strongly help change how the position was viewed? You would have to be inclined to say yes. Did he change how the game was played? No probably not, but for his position, NFL Staffs will never overlook players in size and weight combinations again. Both tall and short now. Steve Smith strongly reinforces the league to be more open minded and it has been a big impact on how much more experimental offenses are now compared to the conservative days of old.
I might go so far to check when that speed TE trend started out of curiosity. Regardless, the notion that guys are too small or too big for a certain position has become more of a thing of the past. Bottom line. . 89
Posted 03 February 2014 - 07:09 PM
I'm just gonna go ahead and report what I said last time...
Posted 03 February 2014 - 07:11 PM
The one major problem is like other people have said, there are so many other wideouts from the same era that were/are REALLY good.
Terrell Owens Randy Moss Marvin Harrison Torry Holt
Reggie Wayne Isaac Bruce Larry Fitzgerald Andre Johnson
Chad Ochocinco Hines Ward Derrick Mason Donald Driver
And then, of course, you've got the big guys right now who could be primed for numbers greater than Steve.
AJ Green Calvin Johnson Brandon Marshall Dez Bryant
Wes Welker Demaryius Thomas Victor Cruz Vincent Jackson
Josh Gordon Alshon Jeffery Roddy White Julio Jones
Antonio Brown Desean Jackson
This is all not to mention the slightly older guys with mad stats that still aren't (and many almost surely never will be) in the Hall.
Sterling Sharpe Jimmy Smith Tim Brown Herman Moore
Andre Rison Andre Reed (Edit: now enshrined) Rod Smith
In my opinion, looking at these guys and their numbers, it's hard to see Steve Smith getting into the Hall unless his longevity turns out to be longer than we expect... Or maybe unless he wins a Super Bowl, has a huge season once he's old, has an amazing personal achievement, etc.
The ONE major factor Steve has over 90% of the aforementioned guys is that NFL fans will remember him forever. Steve is a legend already. You have guys with great numbers who dominated the game like a Torry Holt or a Rod Smith, but the second they retire, nobody speaks about them anymore. They don't have that same staying power that your Jerry Rice's and your Terrell Owens' have.
I think that COULD end up being Steve's saving grace rather than his downfall, the fact that he put himself out there and backed it up with great game. He is a philanthropist off the field too, and I think a lot of people are taking notice in that late in his career, which should help to add some shine to his somewhat tarnished reputation. People love and respect Steve's tenacity and his toughness, and he will be remembered as an anomoly in the world of wide receivers, even if his numbers don't stand out as an all-time great. Hopefully the voters will vote without looking too much into the stats and where he stands on these all-time lists and more into what they remembered of Steve Smith's field dominance as an NFL anomoly considering his size and the QB's/run heavy offenses he always had working against him.
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