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Ron Jaworski: "I wouldn't take Manziel in the first three rounds"


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#16 MV%doe

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 06:28 PM

hell is freezing over, i concur with jaws on this statement.



#17 Evengelion

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:14 PM

He's been projected as a top pick ever since he won the Heisman Trophy.

 

Do you even know what goes on in the real world?  (the evidence says you have no clue)

No, liar. Both Kiper and McShay had him in the 2nd round. They both were on First Take that year to explain themselves to Bayless. Bayless was the first hype machine(Yes, I do watch that show). He even wrote a long ass article about how Manziel is as fast as Vick and crap . The whole college season was centered around Bridgewater vs Mariota. Manziel was completely off the radar as far as being a top pick. The minute Mariota decided to stay in school they tried to find his replacement and Manziel was their best guy.

 

This was in september of 2013, before the college football season got on the way:

 

 

Mariota vs Bridgewater:

eat crow.



#18 Frash Brastard

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:38 PM

Do we still need this stupid filter? I don't think Tim's being discussed ad nauseum like he was a few years ago when we had to do this.

#19 Mr. Scot

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:13 PM

The only thing I'd "eat crow" on is that you may actually be even dumber than I thought you were.

 

Here's your statement...

 

He was never projected as a 1st rounder even after his final college game.

 

And as proof you post a video of Mel Kiper saying he's a second rounder.  I'm guessing you didn't actually watch the video or listen to what Kiper said, because at 55 seconds into the clip Kiper says he had Manziel in his top 25 on May 8th, but dropped him because of off field incidents that happened over the summer. 

 

May 8th would be well before Manziel's final college game.  Add in that Skip Bayless is arguing in the same clip that he is a first round pick, which contradicts your statement.  Stephen A Smith argues it too.  Kiper is the only one saying he's a second rounder here.  That same Mel Kiper you're citing said, as of February 6th, even before the Combine, that Manziel is the concensus best quarterback in the draft (link)

 

Here are a couple of other links that contradict you.

 

MMQB (September 17, 2013) This is the draft board on Peter King's Monday Morning QB from five months back. Manziel is in the top ten.

 

Shutdown Corner (January 1, 2014) This is an article written right after Manziel's final game.  In it Eric Edholm says Manziel could land in the top ten.

 

NFL.com (September 18, 2013) Charles Goodbread discusses Manziel with four NFL scouts.  Three say he's a first rounder.  One says he's a top ten pick.

 

And to top it all off, the second video you posted where McShay supposedly defends having Manziel in the second round never mentions Manziel, at all.  It does talk about Jameis Winston, whom Kiper declares would be consider far and away the best QB on the board if he were draft eligible.

 

Kiper says he'd be superior "just like Andrew Luck was" :lol:

 

You haven't got a clue, kid.



#20 Evengelion

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:06 PM

 

And as proof you post a video of Mel Kiper saying he's a second rounder.  I'm guessing you didn't actually watch the video or listen to what Kiper said, because at 55 seconds into the clip Kiper says he had Manziel in his top 25 on May 8th, but dropped him because of off field incidents that happened over the summer.

Teams picking in the bottom of the draft don't normally have needs for QBs. So him being a pick after 25 is nonsense and just people being nice.

 

 

May 8th would be well before Manziel's final college game.  Add in that Skip Bayless is arguing in the same clip that he is a first round pick, which contradicts your statement.  Stephen A Smith argues it too.  Kiper is the only one saying he's a second rounder here.  That same Mel Kiper you're citing said, as of February 6th, even before the Combine, that Manziel is the concensus best quarterback in the draft (link
 

That's my point Skip and Bayless were the first ones hyping Manziel.

 

I'm not saying you can't find articles that put Manziel in the 1st round on the web. But throughout the season no one was talking about Manziel as a top pick. When I mentioned his last college game I forgot about his bowl game so I didn't include it. I meant his 12 game season that ended in december. Majority of the talk throughout the college season was centered around Bridgewater and Mariota. That's what the second video is about. Will you find fanatical articles on the web that talk about Manziel in the 1st round? absolutely. Tank for Teddy was rampant. In fact there was a video viral about a Jag fan who made a song about losing out on the Bridgwater sweepstake.

 

In fact, I was listening to a TV broadcast late in december and one of the announcer mentioned how other NFL players were laughing at the prospect of Manziel in their division. Manziel will NOT get drafted in the 1st round. You hear it here first.

 



#21 Mr. Scot

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:19 PM

Teams picking in the bottom of the draft don't normally have needs for QBs. So him being a pick after 25 is nonsense and just people being nice.

 

That's my point Skip and Bayless were the first ones hyping Manziel.

 

I'm not saying you can't find articles that put Manziel in the 1st round on the web. But throughout the season no one was talking about Manziel as a top pick. When I mentioned his last college game I forgot about his bowl game so I didn't include it. I meant his 12 game season that ended in december. Majority of the talk throughout the college season was centered around Bridgewater and Mariota. That's what the second video is about. Will you find fanatical articles on the web that talk about Manziel in the 1st round? absolutely. Tank for Teddy was rampant. In fact there was a video viral about a Jag fan who made a song about losing out on the Bridgwater sweepstake.

 

In fact, I was listening to a TV broadcast late in december and one of the announcer mentioned how other NFL players were laughing at the prospect of Manziel in their division. Manziel will NOT get drafted in the 1st round. You hear it here first.

 

I'm sure you were :rolleyes:

 

Enjoy your fantasy world, kid.  The rest of us plan to talk about the real world.
 



#22 Evengelion

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:29 PM

I'm sure you were :rolleyes:

 

Enjoy your fantasy world, kid.  The rest of us plan to talk about the real world.
 

Fact still remain Manziel wasn't a 1st round projection late in the season. Especially when he was losing those games against LSU and Missouri. In fact there was an uproar on ESPN radio(98.7) where they ridiculed Kiper's mock. Don't get it twisted cause you found an article on the web. Manziel will NOT be selected in the 1st round.



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:54 PM

I wouldn't call the sky blue exactly, because of the clouds.



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:53 PM

Fact still remain Manziel wasn't a 1st round projection late in the season. Especially when he was losing those games against LSU and Missouri. In fact there was an uproar on ESPN radio(98.7) where they ridiculed Kiper's mock. Don't get it twisted cause you found an article on the web. Manziel will NOT be selected in the 1st round.

 

I'll make sure to pull this thread back up after the draft :lol:



#25 ajax4132

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:10 PM

It only takes one team to love him.

 

I wouldn't draft him in the first, especially with how deep the talent pools everywhere else are



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:20 PM

It only takes one team to love him.

 

I wouldn't draft him in the first, especially with how deep the talent pools everywhere else are

 

I wouldn't either.

 

But I'm pretty sure somebody will.
 



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:32 PM

I wouldn't either.

 

But I'm pretty sure somebody will.
 

 

Exactly



#28 Ken

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 01:16 AM

I think Manziel is a 1st rounder but nowhere near Top 5.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 10:52 AM

Although Jaws was and has been wrong about Cam and Kaep I will have to agree with him here about the beloved Johnny Football.


IMO Manziel makes some of the most amazing plays I have ever seen but he also makes his share of horrible ones to balance that out. I just think his limitations of his size, average arm strength and limited experience reading defenses will hinder him at the next level. Russell Wilson has the same size limitation if not shorter but he has elite arm strength and can read defenses...but most importantly had the mental makeup and maturity that i think Manzel lacks today.

I really agree with Todd Mcshay on his assessment from watching film on Manziel. He said that Manziel makes a lot of horrible decisions in each game and then makes an incredible play to bail him out and wonders how successful that will bein the NFL. He does not view Manziel as a give him the ball and he will win the game guy no matter what the team looks like. One series Johnny will look all world and the next the worst QB ever.

He thinks Manziel can have success but said the team he goes to would have to have the perfect structure...support.. offensive scheme..and worries that teams at the top of the draft that may not offer that...which is typical in the top 5 of most drafts.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:15 AM

Manziel is a big time boom-bust player. That being said, I honestly think he's the #1 pick if the Texans don't go Clowney. Problem with this years class of QB's is that with such a talented blue chip group of players at other positions and the fact none of the QB's are without a major flaw. Makes it difficult to predict especially considering how many teams in the top 10 are desperate for a QB.




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