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#1 panther4life

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 12:42 PM

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Unfortunately my work computer wont allow me to copy and paste anything so no links sorry and i'll be paraphrasing on some of his quotes.

 

In his introductory press conference Gettleman specifically mentioned his formula for building a winning Team was having a

QB,TD scorers, pass rushers and he credited Tom Coughlin for teaching him "big men allow you to compete"

 

QB..CHECK

Pass rusher..check

TD scorers....this one was interesting because he didn't mention where they came from. He did not specifically say they had to be Wide Receivers.

Big Men...Check on defense...not so much currently on offense.

 

He also said he would build through the draft and avoid overspending on free agents. Which has kept his word on that as well.

 

Fast forward to an interview he did just after preseason last year. In a September interview he did on Panthers.com.

 

When they asked him about his confidence in Josh Norman and Josh Thomas after they decided to release Florence (of course it was temporary as they brought him back)....

 

Gettleman responded by mentioning his faith in both of them and made sure to bring up Melvin White as well. He said all 3 of them give you length and ball skills which are things that can't be teached. Rivera is also brought up by the panthers.com writer and quotes Rivera liking tall rangy corners especially for who we compete against in our division.

 

I know they like Melvin White as he played more snaps than both Josh's combined by a wide margin (691 vs a combined 374)

 

So White is rarely mentioned on this board but I think he along with Mcnutt are considered to be one of the "answers already on the roster".

 

 

Another good takeway from that interview was a question about the offensive line.

He speaks about the o-line being a process and having continuity so they can mesh together. He references being spoiled with the Giants because they had the same group for 4 and half to 5 years.

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I find that statement interesting because the only hand picked guy he put on the roster is Kugbilla. He obviously loves Kalil for obvious reasons. He must like Bell too because he put a 2nd round tender on him to keep him whereas he could have easily let him walk. Another lineman he decided to keep was Gary Williams. Lastly he tendered Chris Scott as well to keep him around. Not really sure what he thinks of Amini but I imagine he likes him. Lastly the jury is still out on what he thinks of Nate Chandler at the moment as he was a Hurney signing as a DT back in 11 in the final year of his contract and is costing us hardly anything for depth/

 

Of the games we won last year our o-line was mainly 

LT- Gross

LG- Wharton-was Amini's job til he tore his acl

C- Kalil

RG- Scott,then Gary Williams when Scott was injured

RT- Bell

 

So assuming Amini comes back strong we know we can win with that offensive line assuming we find a suitable replacement for Gross.

 

Then in January this year Gettleman did another interview with the observer.

1.He mentioned he had all the confidence in the world in Rivera......We later signed him to an extension.

2.He said Hardy was definitely a piece of the puzzle but not sure how we'd work it out yet...Franchised him

3. He  was already talking in past tense about Smith...eventually released him.

 

 

Next up was a Q&A about his draft philosophy on the observer.

 

He clarifies and wants it know he uses free agency to free himself up to go BPA in the draft. He said that worked perfectly last offseason and speaks of getting yourself in trouble when reaching for a need.

 

-He also gives some insight on his philosophy for finding a # 1 receiver. Says the draft is a very tough place to find one that can make an immediate impact.

-Too many guys don't run a full route tree in college and then can't adjust to coverages.

-He applauds Keenan Allen and Deandre Hopkins specifically for having quality rookie years.

- Also said with the way the league is you need kids ready to play as soon as possible to be competitive.

 

Lastly from the observers panthers blog date 2-20-14 jonathan jones wrote about things gettleman said at the combine.

 

I found the most encouraging words for anyone who thinks we may take a step back this year.

This is a direct quote.

"What we are looking for is sustained success. That's what you want. You don't want to jump up, have a great year and then the next 2 years you are floundering around. There are only 2 teams in this league who have had 4 winning seasons in a row New England and Green Bay and Green Bay was 8-7-1 this year. That's what our goal is."

 

So in reality I think our defense is close to being set in terms of free agent signings. 8 starters are pretty much set in stone.

The front 7 + Harper at SS.  , Robert Lester "Flashed" as Rivera would say. Maybe even Godfey comes back as the FS.  

 

Then we have 4 young guys to compete on the outside at Corner.

White, Thomas, Norman and Dockery. White and Dockery played a combined 23 snaps in the slot last year while both Josh's played none. Mitchell,Mikell, and even Lester manned the slot when  Captain didn't last year for the most part according to PFF. So that leaves us needing a slot corner if they feel 2 of those 4 can man up and start on the outside.

 

On Offense unless they view Chandler or Bell ready to play LT then that position should be addressed before the draft so we don't have to "reach for a need". Same can be said for finding some receivers.

 

So all in all our roster wont be perfect again but we aren't far from fielding a roster similar to what won us the division last year and Gettleman so far is managing to do that without creating more cap hell...

 

So while I hate losing Gross and Smith..Gettleman has done everything he has said he would so far. I think at this point its nearly impossible to see him have us go into the draft without having to reach for a need but he hasn't lied yet so lets see what he can put together by May 10th.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 12:46 PM

I think when he says touchdown scorers, it's pretty obvious WRs are included in that.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:16 PM

I think when he says touchdown scorers, it's pretty obvious WRs are included in that.


RBs TEs FBs and QBs also.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:31 PM

YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO THINK RATIONALLY ABOUT GETTLEMAN

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:34 PM

Good post.  Gettleman laid out a plan from the get-go and is doing what he thinks is best to follow it.

 

And I believe in the methodology he's employing 100%.  I think we probably could have given Smitty another year and we'd be a better team in 2014 for it.  But I can understand the reasons he had for doing it.  And you could argue we'll be better off in 2015 by releasing Smith a year earlier.

 

What I think is hilarious though is everyone who is flipping their poo and hates Gettleman because we're apparently letting our ENTIRE FUGGING TEAM go and doing absolutely FUGGING NOTHING ZOMG.  While in reality, WR is the only position that we're in trouble, and that group already kinda sucked last year.  Time to see if draft picks and waiver wire players can actually play.  And if it turns out they can't, we can still win football games with a load of crap at WR.  We're not doomed.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:37 PM

actions > words

so far this year its been pretty much neither, but i want to see more.

my faith in gettleman is waning.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:40 PM

At least he is open and honest about what he does.

 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:48 PM

At least he is open and honest about what he does.

he's not open and about what he's doing now.

i mean i don't expect him to tell the league the moves he's trying to make, but what is he doing other than not filling holes he created/let open?

we have no wide receivers. we have no left tackle. we have a right tackle who shouldn't be starting. are we going to address that in the draft? if so, what about BPA? does that fly out the window if we don't address holes in FA? are we going to see what we do in the draft before we make any moves?

i mean wtf is he doing?

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:50 PM

Good post!   

 

   We all knew we were strapped for cash when G-Man took over. I dont get what people are so pissed about! We don’t have any money! We have to spend wisely! Our Defense will be awesome! We will draft and pick up Wr's and OLineman before the season starts! All these teams that are overspending now will be in this same situation in a year or two while we build through the draft and plug and play. Gettleman is setting this team up for success and everyone wants to bash the man!  Smitty's situation could’ve been handled alot better, but we cant get much worse in passing offense than last year! A caller on WFNZ yesterday called free agency " Fools Agency" He is absolutley right! Look how much Ginn, Mitchell, Capt, Lafell, ect got! Do you think those teams will get their money's worth? Nope! Thats why Gettleman said See ya!



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:55 PM

he's not open and about what he's doing now.

i mean i don't expect him to tell the league the moves he's trying to make, but what is he doing other than not filling holes he created/let open?

we have no wide receivers. we have no left tackle. we have a right tackle who shouldn't be starting. are we going to address that in the draft? if so, what about BPA? does that fly out the window if we don't address holes in FA? are we going to see what we do in the draft before we make any moves?

i mean wtf is he doing?

 

I meant more open and honest about HOW he does things. Specific moves are another matter.

 

The man is adamant about not overpaying guys. So I guess we will see what kind of "Gettlemagic" he can work this year. Certainly has his work cut out for him again. There are 50 days until the draft to try to plug holes. He'll need damn near every one of them if he wants to be able to go BPA for 7 rounds in May.

 

It has been oddly quiet though. Hopefully he is still working on Hardy's deal and figuring out how to free up more CAP space for now and in future seasons.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:00 PM

I meant more open and honest about HOW he does things. Specific moves are another matter.

The man is adamant about not overpaying guys. So I guess we will see what kind of "Gettlemagic" he can work this year. Certainly has his work cut out for him again. There are 50 days until the draft to try to plug holes. He'll need damn near every one of them if he wants to be able to go BPA for 7 rounds in May.

It has been oddly quiet though. Hopefully he is still working on Hardy's deal and figuring out how to free up more CAP space for now and in future seasons.

hes overpaying the DE position.

franchising hardy handicapped us. the decision to tag him took away opportunity to not just improve in several areas, but fill holes with less than starter level ability. we have no money to fill holes because we tagged hardy. sure, there's a lot of time left, but what's going to be available at that point? a legit starting LT? lol

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:08 PM

hes overpaying the DE position.

franchising hardy handicapped us. the decision to tag him took away opportunity to not just improve in several areas, but fill holes with less than starter level ability. we have no money to fill holes because we tagged hardy. sure, there's a lot of time left, but what's going to be available at that point? a legit starting LT? lol

 

Well he didn't handle Charles Johnson's deal so he is simply trying to work around that one. Hardy was a big part of our success, he was necessary to keep. We wouldn't find an elite secondary in one offseason so the least we could do was keep our elite front 7 together for at least another year. The franchise tag simply bought more time for us to work out a deal, and hopefully it's a deal that favors both parties.

 

He's got his work cut out for him man, I admit that. He will really have to be in-tune with his free agent scouting roots this year to keep Cam upright and give him guys to throw to. He's had success before so I won't hit the panic button until after we see what is done between now and the end of the draft. Then we will have a good idea of how the roster is going to look. It'll be interesting to see what happens.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

dave did a super job first year. all the cheap one year deals, wavier claims, and UDFAs. examples = ginn, king, mcnutt, white, folkets, lester, horton, mitchell, bonds, williams etc etc. 

 

 

thats why im waiting til his 90 man team is here and to see the contracts of kraken, cam, luke and in a couple star. thats how ill judge dave- drafts and signing the studs.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:25 PM

Well he didn't handle Charles Johnson's deal so he is simply trying to work around that one. Hardy was a big part of our success, he was necessary to keep. We wouldn't find an elite secondary in one offseason so the least we could do was keep our elite front 7 together for at least another year. The franchise tag simply bought more time for us to work out a deal, and hopefully it's a deal that favors both parties.

He's got his work cut out for him man, I admit that. He will really have to be in-tune with his free agent scouting roots this year to keep Cam upright and give him guys to throw to. He's had success before so I won't hit the panic button until after we see what is done between now and the end of the draft. Then we will have a good idea of how the roster is going to look. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

he had success in one year of being a GM. he's got a worse situation now. more holes to fill and still cap challenged.

so far he's done nothing. i don't think keeping hardy was the best thing to do because of the effect on our cap and because of how much of the cap the position takes up....20% of the total cap and 50% of the cap on defense. that's not good, regardless of the level of talent you had to keep. and i think it flies in the face of comments he made about how sometimes you do have to let good platlyers go.

releasing smith without us having any WRs at all wasn't smart either because it leaves us in a giant hole and only gave us an extra 2mil. sure, there are long term benefits to cutting ties, but you have to play football this year and give players more than hope in the future, esp. if you want them to stay.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:31 PM

he had success in one year of being a GM. he's got a worse situation now. more holes to fill and still cap challenged.

so far he's done nothing. i don't think keeping hardy was the best thing to do because of the effect on our cap and because of how much of the cap the position takes up....20% of the total cap and 50% of the cap on defense. that's not good, regardless of the level of talent you had to keep. and i think it flies in the face of comments he made about how sometimes you do have to let good platlyers go.

releasing smith without us having any WRs at all wasn't smart either because it leaves us in a giant hole and only gave us an extra 2mil. sure, there are long term benefits to cutting ties, but you have to play football this year and give players more than hope in the future, esp. if you want them to stay.

 

Well it's not like we are completely void of talent and aren't going to add more. We are just taking a different approach. If it blows up in his face, then he will have to deal with that. But if it works, he's a genius. It's wait and see at this point.




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