I would argue that the panthers are in the 15-17 range. They are about average, the same as their record has been since their inception. People seem to forget that although they do not have back to back winning seasons they also have had very few horrible seasons. It just so happens that they are in the middle of a bad streak right now (minus the anomaly last year). Hopefully it doesn't last as long as the 49ers streak. Remember up until 3 years ago, it was 10 years without making the playoffs even with the division winner finishing 8-8.